| Sky Sports Breaking News 15:46 - Apr 27 with 83342 views | welwynranger |
Reporting that represensatives ofMarti have been talking to another championship club.
5 minutes ago.
No further info at the moment.
Bit worrying
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:50 - Apr 29 with 2699 views | daveB |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:40 - Apr 29 by JamesB1979 |
I would say though that it’s different decisions makers today than behind Warnock sacking. I 100% disagreed with that. I also fully agree that we should have kept Warburton. However, some of the other decisions make more sense.
Holloway - his record wasn’t that great or maybe it wasn’t that great compared to the owners ambitions. But also I don’t remember us fans, on the whole, feeling that he was doing a great job. He did an average job. No harm in looking to do better at that time.
McLaren - he had done some good stuff with Derby and as Assistant with us previously. I wasn’t a fan of his appointment but I can see why they went for him.
Beale - he took us top of the league so clearly was a decent appointment for us. The issue was his ridiculous ambition that he deserved to manager a bigger club. I’m pretty certain he regrets leaving us now. But the owners and Les choice of Beale was a good one.
Critchley - we should have stuck with him. He was a decent continuity manager from Beale. It didn’t work out. And then maybe made the decision in the summer.
Ainsworth - he had a big support to be appointed amongst fans.
Also remember they hired Les and Hoos for almost 10 years to make those decisions. The issue was they couldn’t help getting involved at wrong time eg I can’t believe Les would have appointed Ainsworth.
They are a bit all over the place in terms of decisions and way to go but they do pay our ridiculous losses each month. |
Yeah, There are always arguments for a manager going, it's not hard to make a case that it's time for Marti to go. I just think they have almost always turned out to be mistakes where we went backwards
In the Holloway example it was the right time to go but we ballsed up his replacement and also treated him really poorly.
You can blame Les, Hoos now Nourry but it's the same themes just different names. Look at how well run Wrexham are even with the money and the circus around it all, how quickly have Birmimgham gone from a joke to a quite ambitious club on the up, I'm just fed up and frustrated with what we have become and being sat in the office and seeing the floodlights of Loftus Road out of the window has got me in reflecting mood |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:51 - Apr 29 with 2694 views | KensalT |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:45 - Apr 29 by GaryBannister86 |
"Losing mentality" is a great way of putting it. We've been damaged by Beale openly treating us with total disregard, Ainsworth trying to paint us as the minnows of the division and only Critchley had the balls to call it out and it probably cost him his job.
It's not just the players and management, I think the mentality of the fans has changed. Lots of fans actually supporting the manager throwing the FA Cup (against a team that hasn't scored another home goal to date), hardly a murmur of protest against abysmal home defeats....we're all getting beaten down, and as I think Mart Goblin was saying, that can't be a good thing. [Post edited 29 Apr 11:45]
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Didn't Eustace also say we had a losing mentality? | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:53 - Apr 29 with 2646 views | daveB |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:51 - Apr 29 by KensalT |
Didn't Eustace also say we had a losing mentality? |
Yeah he did and then lead a right clear out with Warbs that summer | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:56 - Apr 29 with 2596 views | JamesB1979 |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:49 - Apr 29 by KensalT |
"Critchley - we should have stuck with him. He was a decent continuity manager from Beale. It didn’t work out. And then maybe made the decision in the summer."
Disagree with you about Critchley. He had lost the dressing room and we would certainly have gone done if he stayed. He has since been sacked by both Blackpool and just last week by Hearts.
Holloway and Ainsworth both came here at a time when probably no one else would have taken the job. I think their loyalty does tend to get overlooked in appraising their time here. |
We had some “sliding doors” moments with Critchley. Last minute equaliser by Sheffield or Forest (?) springs to mind. We win that game and I think things are very different. We got 11 points from 13 games after he left. I think we could have got those points. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:00 - Apr 29 with 2549 views | JamesB1979 |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:50 - Apr 29 by daveB |
Yeah, There are always arguments for a manager going, it's not hard to make a case that it's time for Marti to go. I just think they have almost always turned out to be mistakes where we went backwards
In the Holloway example it was the right time to go but we ballsed up his replacement and also treated him really poorly.
You can blame Les, Hoos now Nourry but it's the same themes just different names. Look at how well run Wrexham are even with the money and the circus around it all, how quickly have Birmimgham gone from a joke to a quite ambitious club on the up, I'm just fed up and frustrated with what we have become and being sat in the office and seeing the floodlights of Loftus Road out of the window has got me in reflecting mood |
Yeah fair enough. I’m just comparing to when we finished the 22-23 season. We are in better position today. Maybe it’s just blind hope on my part. But I don’t disagree with you either. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:01 - Apr 29 with 2546 views | daveB |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:56 - Apr 29 by JamesB1979 |
We had some “sliding doors” moments with Critchley. Last minute equaliser by Sheffield or Forest (?) springs to mind. We win that game and I think things are very different. We got 11 points from 13 games after he left. I think we could have got those points. |
The problem wasn't sacking Critchley it's why did we give him the job to start with, They were gonna go with Marti at the time but got in a mudle again and it never looked a great fit | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:06 - Apr 29 with 2487 views | JamesB1979 |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:01 - Apr 29 by daveB |
The problem wasn't sacking Critchley it's why did we give him the job to start with, They were gonna go with Marti at the time but got in a mudle again and it never looked a great fit |
I didn’t realise that. Was it compensation to Hammerby the issue? But I would say that I thought at the time that Critchley was a good appointment and he was available. He did well at Blackpool the first time. Batterered us (in a 1-1) the season before there I think. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:07 - Apr 29 with 2475 views | kensalriser |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:56 - Apr 29 by JamesB1979 |
We had some “sliding doors” moments with Critchley. Last minute equaliser by Sheffield or Forest (?) springs to mind. We win that game and I think things are very different. We got 11 points from 13 games after he left. I think we could have got those points. |
We'd almost certainly be looking forward to our second season in L1 if Critchley had stayed. |  |
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:14 - Apr 29 with 2399 views | Headington |
Didn't we appoint Critchley as he was from the same Gerrard stable as Beale? Seems like wrong man, wrong time. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:20 - Apr 29 with 2333 views | MrSheen |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:14 - Apr 29 by Headington |
Didn't we appoint Critchley as he was from the same Gerrard stable as Beale? Seems like wrong man, wrong time. |
And out of work after being sacked with Gerrard at Villa so no buyout needed. |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:21 - Apr 29 with 2316 views | daveB |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:06 - Apr 29 by JamesB1979 |
I didn’t realise that. Was it compensation to Hammerby the issue? But I would say that I thought at the time that Critchley was a good appointment and he was available. He did well at Blackpool the first time. Batterered us (in a 1-1) the season before there I think. |
I think so yeah, it was a non starter from memory but does blow away the bollocks that Nourry found Marti when we had tried to get him a year earlier, we also spoke to him when we appointed Beale | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:44 - Apr 29 with 2064 views | silverbirch |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 09:44 - Apr 29 by R_from_afar |
Debate - respectful debate - is great but we'd all do well to bear in mind a phrase used by the author of a piece of analysis on here earlier this season:
"But a theory making sense doesn’t automatically make it true".
While I am here, I'll just add that the reason I follow QPR is that SilverBirch, his dad and a third, Rangers supporting mutual friend persuaded me to go to Reading v QPR eons ago. Thanks for that, mate 👍
PS: We lost. Because of course, but at least realistic expectations were set  |
RFA, mate, on behalf of my dad, Hillsy and myself, I can’t apologise enough. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:57 - Apr 29 with 1937 views | davman |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 10:42 - Apr 29 by daveB |
My anger and frustration is with this all being a pattern that is repeated with these owners. Time and time again they have fallen out with managers and each time it leaves a mess
You go back to Warnock and listening to agents saying he was not being good enough to attract big players so they sacked him and well safe to say that didn't end well. Second time with Warnock we were too good for him and really we should have swallowed pride and given him another go
Ian Holloway did the job he was asked but he wasn't as smooth talking as McClaren so they made the change and it was wrong
Warbs a similar thing, an internal fall out and the club got rid of the wrong person and now happening again with Marti
When you see all that you kind of get why Beale spent most of his tenure trying to get out. Why is Marti open to leaving, something behind the scenes is just not right. The names change but the same thing keeps happening
the club is so full of bullshit and inflated egos it's never going to get anywhere |
Maybe its simply a case of the managers / "Head Coaches" realising that they have taken this club as far as they can given the restrictions we have to operate under?
Marti is clearly compromising his principles - he wants to be a high press / high energy team that plays on the front foot that can play out from the back. This squad does not have the legs for that, nor the basic, ball playing midfielders needed and certainly does not have strikers to lead that press.
SO he reverts to a more direct style implementing Dunne and Frey, or when they are not available, a feast on second balls as Kolli / Celar / Dembele can't win a head or hold the ball up meaningfully.
No legs, so its a low block if we ever get 1-0 up - no evidence of going for the second he continually preaches.
Whether he is out of the loop or not, the reality is that the best this club can hope for is a basic Championship team, with a little bit of Chair flair.
Will he continue to compromise, or does he want out? He's ambitious, so I think that there is a lot in believing that he wants out. He has not seen any real improvement in the squad or their capabilities to do what he wants his team to do. So, he's proven he has pragmatism, but can't perform the absolute miracle it would take to get us to the next level.
Like Beale, he knows that now, so why on earth would he hang around even if he did sign a new contract last year? |  |
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:04 - Apr 29 with 1851 views | dm97 |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:44 - Apr 29 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
OK, so I am a little perplexed by the issue some have with Nourry. Hear me out before you scream at me!
In the not to distant past managers were given what they wanted and lo and behold it cist us dear. Is all Nourry really guilty of is refusing to bend to MC. Surely that is his remit?
People getting very worked up about stories in the press etc, but this has always gone on, and not just at QPR.
Surely the most important thing is to move MC out, bagging as much compensation as we can and then getting a better manager.
If you're a manager QPR is still an attractive proposition. |
That’s all true - we can’t and shouldn’t be a club where it’s what manager wants manager gets. But do you think any other club would decide to give this level of responsibility and power, via a combined DoF and CEO role, to a young man who has never been a CEO or a DoF before? It’s madness. He’s learning on the job and he might end up being great, but that is an absolutely mental decision to make; the buck stops with the guys who made it. |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:05 - Apr 29 with 1847 views | nick_hammersmith |
I might be wrong, but have some of us got some Warb tinted glasses?
I really like Mark Warburton, and I think he was probably right to criticise the Dev system at that time, which was full of 21+ year olds who were nowhere near the first team stanadrd.
However, he did love to buy players like Lee Wallace, who I guess were on big money and had no resale value, which was the exact opposite to what the owners were asking him to do.
That last transfer window we went out for promotion and signed some contracts that fcked the clubs P&S for the next three year cycle.
The sad thing is, with the current setup Warbs would be a perfect DoF now |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:05 - Apr 29 with 1843 views | nix |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:25 - Apr 29 by KensalT |
If we have to lie to persuade someone with zero managerial experience to take the job then we really are a basket case! |
Wasn’t Martí in the top five longest serving managers recently. I think we are far from being the only basket case club in the Championship.
What’s encouraged me recently is looking forward to the
future rather than resolutely trying to buy success in the moment.
Maybe I’m being deluded and that’s fair enough if you think I am but sorting out the training ground, stopping the players staying in the development squad until well in their 20s and getting players in like Vale and Esquerdinha seem like a longer term policy. After all the only way a club like ours is going to succeed is like Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth because of the limitations of our ground plus FFP. By definition such a policy isn’t going to pay off quickly. |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:08 - Apr 29 with 1791 views | TK1 |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 10:46 - Apr 29 by dm97 |
100%. On record many times on here criticising CN, but if you think he’s the fundamental issue here you haven’t been paying attention during the last decade.
Until the owners change nothing changes. |
Well, there was a rumour at the ground on Monday that the ownership structure is very soon to change substantially and that is partly why there's been so much instability recently coupled with so little communication. Everyone is just limping towards the end of the season after which changes will be announced.
I should add that I know nothing more. And it is only gossip. But it's worth remembering this story in The Mail last March about "Project Big Ben" and then also looking at the threadbare nature of the current board, the fact that Lee Hoos is clearly a placeholder Chairman (probably holding the place slightly longer than he imagined he would, but am sure the money's ok), and then thinking about all American money flooding into the sport now - if Orient are a good investment, then QPR are - about the fact QPR did employ a major US bank to find new investment, possibly owners only last year, not long after they appointed the guy they'd employed to do their detailed audit of the club in a combined CEO/DOF role...
Perhaps the roles of Chairman, DOF, CEO (and coach) are all up in the air this summer? Personally, I find this outcome more likely than we start the next season with Chairman Hoos, CEO/DOF Nourry and coach Cifuentes. But let's see. I don't think that Project Big Ben was made up, though...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13202579/QPR-new-investors-fu | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:10 - Apr 29 with 1725 views | TheChef |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:36 - Apr 29 by daveB |
It has changed but the same problems keep coming up. I don't have an answer, I wish there was an obvious bad guy and you say get rid of him and it's all fixed. I'm just a bit fed up with it all
Whoie club has a losing mentality, you can see that in the cups and as soon as we think we are safe we just give up, has happened twice this season and maybe it will turn out that was down to the manager but just seems to happen far too often |
Hunterhoop has mentioned this many times but in the end it all comes down to the culture/standards within the club.
Suffice to say ours have never been that high under the current owners, hence the dross we've seen nearly every season. |  |
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:13 - Apr 29 with 1681 views | TheChef |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:06 - Apr 29 by JamesB1979 |
I didn’t realise that. Was it compensation to Hammerby the issue? But I would say that I thought at the time that Critchley was a good appointment and he was available. He did well at Blackpool the first time. Batterered us (in a 1-1) the season before there I think. |
Break clause from Hammerby was a million quid and we weren't prepared to pay that (Les told me this himself). | |
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:18 - Apr 29 with 1637 views | TheChef |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:08 - Apr 29 by TK1 |
Well, there was a rumour at the ground on Monday that the ownership structure is very soon to change substantially and that is partly why there's been so much instability recently coupled with so little communication. Everyone is just limping towards the end of the season after which changes will be announced.
I should add that I know nothing more. And it is only gossip. But it's worth remembering this story in The Mail last March about "Project Big Ben" and then also looking at the threadbare nature of the current board, the fact that Lee Hoos is clearly a placeholder Chairman (probably holding the place slightly longer than he imagined he would, but am sure the money's ok), and then thinking about all American money flooding into the sport now - if Orient are a good investment, then QPR are - about the fact QPR did employ a major US bank to find new investment, possibly owners only last year, not long after they appointed the guy they'd employed to do their detailed audit of the club in a combined CEO/DOF role...
Perhaps the roles of Chairman, DOF, CEO (and coach) are all up in the air this summer? Personally, I find this outcome more likely than we start the next season with Chairman Hoos, CEO/DOF Nourry and coach Cifuentes. But let's see. I don't think that Project Big Ben was made up, though...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13202579/QPR-new-investors-fu |
Ooooh plot twist!
Does this mean Richard Reilly is about to emerge from the crypt?? | |
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:23 - Apr 29 with 1565 views | Loyalitat |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:13 - Apr 29 by TheChef |
Break clause from Hammerby was a million quid and we weren't prepared to pay that (Les told me this himself). |
Les Ferdinand, are you sure. The identification of the MC as a prospective coach for QPR was the brainchild of nepo Nourry. Les had no involvement whatsoever!! | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:24 - Apr 29 with 1561 views | TheChef |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:08 - Apr 29 by TK1 |
Well, there was a rumour at the ground on Monday that the ownership structure is very soon to change substantially and that is partly why there's been so much instability recently coupled with so little communication. Everyone is just limping towards the end of the season after which changes will be announced.
I should add that I know nothing more. And it is only gossip. But it's worth remembering this story in The Mail last March about "Project Big Ben" and then also looking at the threadbare nature of the current board, the fact that Lee Hoos is clearly a placeholder Chairman (probably holding the place slightly longer than he imagined he would, but am sure the money's ok), and then thinking about all American money flooding into the sport now - if Orient are a good investment, then QPR are - about the fact QPR did employ a major US bank to find new investment, possibly owners only last year, not long after they appointed the guy they'd employed to do their detailed audit of the club in a combined CEO/DOF role...
Perhaps the roles of Chairman, DOF, CEO (and coach) are all up in the air this summer? Personally, I find this outcome more likely than we start the next season with Chairman Hoos, CEO/DOF Nourry and coach Cifuentes. But let's see. I don't think that Project Big Ben was made up, though...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13202579/QPR-new-investors-fu |
I note that article is from March 2024, so er clearly no one fancies us (so far)... | |
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:28 - Apr 29 with 1518 views | KensalT |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:08 - Apr 29 by TK1 |
Well, there was a rumour at the ground on Monday that the ownership structure is very soon to change substantially and that is partly why there's been so much instability recently coupled with so little communication. Everyone is just limping towards the end of the season after which changes will be announced.
I should add that I know nothing more. And it is only gossip. But it's worth remembering this story in The Mail last March about "Project Big Ben" and then also looking at the threadbare nature of the current board, the fact that Lee Hoos is clearly a placeholder Chairman (probably holding the place slightly longer than he imagined he would, but am sure the money's ok), and then thinking about all American money flooding into the sport now - if Orient are a good investment, then QPR are - about the fact QPR did employ a major US bank to find new investment, possibly owners only last year, not long after they appointed the guy they'd employed to do their detailed audit of the club in a combined CEO/DOF role...
Perhaps the roles of Chairman, DOF, CEO (and coach) are all up in the air this summer? Personally, I find this outcome more likely than we start the next season with Chairman Hoos, CEO/DOF Nourry and coach Cifuentes. But let's see. I don't think that Project Big Ben was made up, though...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13202579/QPR-new-investors-fu |
Alternative link about Project Big Ben for non-Mail fans!
https://stadiumdb.com/news/2024/11/englandnew_stadium_for_qpr_project_big_ben_un
The November story says Ruben owned 60% of the club but more recent reports put that at 76%.
So it would appear there were already changes to the ownership structure during the course of the season.
76% ownership effectively gives Ruben complete control of the company. So unless there's a new investor or a buyout I don't see where else it could be going. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:29 - Apr 29 with 1511 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:50 - Apr 29 by daveB |
Yeah, There are always arguments for a manager going, it's not hard to make a case that it's time for Marti to go. I just think they have almost always turned out to be mistakes where we went backwards
In the Holloway example it was the right time to go but we ballsed up his replacement and also treated him really poorly.
You can blame Les, Hoos now Nourry but it's the same themes just different names. Look at how well run Wrexham are even with the money and the circus around it all, how quickly have Birmimgham gone from a joke to a quite ambitious club on the up, I'm just fed up and frustrated with what we have become and being sat in the office and seeing the floodlights of Loftus Road out of the window has got me in reflecting mood |
Can see the floodlights out of your office window, eh? I think you have revealed your hand, Mr Nourry employee. Back to your AI, son. |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:31 - Apr 29 with 1480 views | TK1 |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:24 - Apr 29 by TheChef |
I note that article is from March 2024, so er clearly no one fancies us (so far)... |
How long do you think it takes to buy a football club with two valuable sites, but a huge and complicated debt structure? About a year at least, I'd say.
The more I think about how little we've heard from Nourry, Rueben and Hoos (who absolutely loved communicating with fans: remember his quarterly financial Q&A videos?) is that they cannot communicate right now, that they may well be in the NDA realm... | | | |
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