| Sky Sports Breaking News 15:46 - Apr 27 with 57928 views | welwynranger |
Reporting that represensatives ofMarti have been talking to another championship club.
5 minutes ago.
No further info at the moment.
Bit worrying
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:31 - Apr 29 with 2252 views | DannyPaddox |
Project Big Ben Williams |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:36 - Apr 29 with 2175 views | Maggsinho |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:50 - Apr 29 by daveB |
Yeah, There are always arguments for a manager going, it's not hard to make a case that it's time for Marti to go. I just think they have almost always turned out to be mistakes where we went backwards
In the Holloway example it was the right time to go but we ballsed up his replacement and also treated him really poorly.
You can blame Les, Hoos now Nourry but it's the same themes just different names. Look at how well run Wrexham are even with the money and the circus around it all, how quickly have Birmimgham gone from a joke to a quite ambitious club on the up, I'm just fed up and frustrated with what we have become and being sat in the office and seeing the floodlights of Loftus Road out of the window has got me in reflecting mood |
Not been following them particularly but are Wrexham and Birmingham well run or are they just throwing money at things? I'd like to think if we had spent £20m on a striker we'd be in a better position in the league now. |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:38 - Apr 29 with 2137 views | TheChef |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:31 - Apr 29 by TK1 |
How long do you think it takes to buy a football club with two valuable sites, but a huge and complicated debt structure? About a year at least, I'd say.
The more I think about how little we've heard from Nourry, Rueben and Hoos (who absolutely loved communicating with fans: remember his quarterly financial Q&A videos?) is that they cannot communicate right now, that they may well be in the NDA realm... |
Oh yeah I don't deny it all takes time - just initially I thought that article was more recent and then I checked back. |  |
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:42 - Apr 29 with 2094 views | KensalT |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:31 - Apr 29 by TK1 |
How long do you think it takes to buy a football club with two valuable sites, but a huge and complicated debt structure? About a year at least, I'd say.
The more I think about how little we've heard from Nourry, Rueben and Hoos (who absolutely loved communicating with fans: remember his quarterly financial Q&A videos?) is that they cannot communicate right now, that they may well be in the NDA realm... |
"The more I think about how little we've heard from Nourry, Rueben and Hoos (who absolutely loved communicating with fans: remember his quarterly financial Q&A videos?) is that they cannot communicate right now, that they may well be in the NDA realm..."
That's plausible.
It 'might' even explain the hyper-sensitivity around all communications this season. You never know when an unscrupulous journo is going to slip in a curveball question. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:43 - Apr 29 with 2087 views | KensalT |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:31 - Apr 29 by DannyPaddox |
Project Big Ben Williams |
Project Big Ben Williams :-) | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:45 - Apr 29 with 2052 views | Hunterhoop |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 08:54 - Apr 29 by silverbirch |
No need to apologise.
You challenged NorrisGreen about their post and I questioned something in yours. I think it was then assumed that I shared NorrisGreen’s views. I don’t.
I just wanted to make the point that people may be in the know to an extent but then add on their interpretation of events from that viewpoint. Nourry is unpopular, is said to be unpleasant, has made mistakes…therefore Marti always tells the truth and is being hounded out of the club and forced into the arms of a club that might offer a realistic chance of promotion and double his salary. |
Meant to post it this earlier today but got distracted. The conversation has moved on (and Dave is completely right). However, still going to go ahead and post as it’s already typed..
A lot of us, who perhaps know a little, and infer more from it, are very aware Cifuentes is no angel. He is ambitious. His agent contacted a few clubs last summer (they weren’t interested in him), and I have no doubt he gave the green light on the Sun article about the relationship breakdown with Nourry, and i think it’s highly likely his agent was talking to WBA.
But these types of conversations are had by agents and players (under contract) all the time in the game. It is silly to get angry or upset about it. We did exactly the same thing when bringing him in from Hammarby IF.
Also, it’s my view that Cifuentes has done a good job 2 years running keeping us up with the cards he was dealt (firstly taking over Ainsworth’s mess, secondly getting survival out of this squad and some poor recruitment last summer). I think he has shown he is capable at this level, potentially someone who could improve and improve us to the next level.
Our CEO/DOF has not displayed he is competent or to be trusted yet. He has lied about his background and experience. This is provable. He has gone hot and heavy on data led recruitment, and it’s hardly been a success so far. His comms strategy is startlingly arrogant/naive (delete as you see fit). He continues to employ a friend in the role responsible for our fitness and conditioning (“Performance”), who is based permanently in Dubai and working for other sports outfits, whilst we have had a dreadful time of injuries, specifically soft tissue injuries the experts say are entirely avoidable with the right conditioning. All the while he wouldn’t allow a long serving employee (manager level) work from home FT forcing them to quit. Supposedly he wanted to sack Cifuentes back in November but was prevented by Ruben. Given results took off afterwards, it’s safe to conclude that decision kept us up. I have also heard from a couple of people now that he hired a PR consultant to work directly for him, not the media team, from back then to help manage Cifuentes’ exit. His own football rumours website, which he is still listed as the editor of, posted rumours about Cifuentes getting sacked and us hiring Gregory Vignal. He hasn’t allowed any access to Cifuentes outside of the league’s required channels. The fans forum was PR manipulation announcing stuff agreed weeks/months prior. The Fans Q&A has disappeared into thin air. We’re now letting away fans back in the School Lower when we said that wasn’t the plan. We’re meant to managing costs tightly and yet we have a bloated “Performance” department and a Head of Methodology (with no idea what they are accountable for). In the closed doors session with some fans who lead fan groups or social media channels, he deliberately lied to them about something - implying there was no way something would happen, which within a week had happened. It was a good thing but you can only conclude that was a deliberate lie to see if anyone leaked it. He has also lied to someone I know who has met him in a business capacity.
There’s more too but it can’t be said/posted/alluded to.
All that being understood, part of me feels for Cifuentes. I would be looking at other opportunities in the same situation. It’s not an environment conducive to success for Cifuentes or the club.
Everything points to the bloke being a chancer. A smart, well educated chancer, but a chancer nonetheless. 3.5 years ago he was running an advisory business in the social media space, FFS. I don’t like this type of character normally, but much less so when they are in a position of leadership. And it’s far worse when it’s the role leading your football club!
I think he makes decisions for his best interests, not the interests of the football club. And even if/when he does the latter, I have little confidence he will make the right decision because he is unqualified for the role. And I don’t trust him.
It’s just not a he said/she said scenario where they are both as bad as each other…
Back to Dave’s point, it’s ultimately on the Board, as ever, for giving the go ahead to appoint him and give him both roles. However, it is something the Board could easily resolve in the summer. [Post edited 29 Apr 14:42]
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:46 - Apr 29 with 2036 views | KensalT |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:36 - Apr 29 by Maggsinho |
Not been following them particularly but are Wrexham and Birmingham well run or are they just throwing money at things? I'd like to think if we had spent £20m on a striker we'd be in a better position in the league now. |
Don't know anything about Wrexham but Birmingham have identified a site close to St Andrews for a 60,000 seat new stadium
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/knighthead-hold-fu
Very ambitious that lot. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:46 - Apr 29 with 2026 views | TK1 |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:36 - Apr 29 by Maggsinho |
Not been following them particularly but are Wrexham and Birmingham well run or are they just throwing money at things? I'd like to think if we had spent £20m on a striker we'd be in a better position in the league now. |
Can't speak for Wrexham but Tom Wagner is formidable at Birmingham. We are going to be sick of him. Reading this profile in The Times last week felt a bit like reading about Man City in 2008...
https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/tom-wagner-birmingham-city-tom-b | | | |
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:49 - Apr 29 with 1986 views | Northernr |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:23 - Apr 29 by Loyalitat |
Les Ferdinand, are you sure. The identification of the MC as a prospective coach for QPR was the brainchild of nepo Nourry. Les had no involvement whatsoever!! |
Sorry, just realised you were almost certainly taking the pis.
Ooooooh it's hot today.
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:52 - Apr 29 with 1923 views | TheChef |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:36 - Apr 29 by Maggsinho |
Not been following them particularly but are Wrexham and Birmingham well run or are they just throwing money at things? I'd like to think if we had spent £20m on a striker we'd be in a better position in the league now. |
The Birmingham spending somehow feels a bit more reckless? Splurging on Stansfield (which to be fair seemed to do the trick) and buying Dykes too, just because.
Whereas Wrexham seem more shrewd in terms of recruitment and Reynolds and co. have leveraged proper blue chip sponsorships with HP, United Airlines, etc.
Meanwhile Mrs Chef thinking the Wrexham story is a lovely little fairy tale, great for the town, etc. While I tell her most proper football fans can't stand them and the owners! Arguably mainly driven by jealousy, to be fair... | |
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:57 - Apr 29 with 1860 views | LongRanger |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:08 - Apr 29 by TK1 |
Well, there was a rumour at the ground on Monday that the ownership structure is very soon to change substantially and that is partly why there's been so much instability recently coupled with so little communication. Everyone is just limping towards the end of the season after which changes will be announced.
I should add that I know nothing more. And it is only gossip. But it's worth remembering this story in The Mail last March about "Project Big Ben" and then also looking at the threadbare nature of the current board, the fact that Lee Hoos is clearly a placeholder Chairman (probably holding the place slightly longer than he imagined he would, but am sure the money's ok), and then thinking about all American money flooding into the sport now - if Orient are a good investment, then QPR are - about the fact QPR did employ a major US bank to find new investment, possibly owners only last year, not long after they appointed the guy they'd employed to do their detailed audit of the club in a combined CEO/DOF role...
Perhaps the roles of Chairman, DOF, CEO (and coach) are all up in the air this summer? Personally, I find this outcome more likely than we start the next season with Chairman Hoos, CEO/DOF Nourry and coach Cifuentes. But let's see. I don't think that Project Big Ben was made up, though...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13202579/QPR-new-investors-fu |
Its interesting, could be a fairy-tale, but many of the clubs current issues (too many to list) could be explained by a pending take over. If there isn't one, its depressing to think we're as badly run as we thought. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:59 - Apr 29 with 1838 views | daveB |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:36 - Apr 29 by Maggsinho |
Not been following them particularly but are Wrexham and Birmingham well run or are they just throwing money at things? I'd like to think if we had spent £20m on a striker we'd be in a better position in the league now. |
Wrexham have done well to get this far and are making the most of the hollywood owners bringing in money. They seem to be doing well from the outside, Birmingham could still go wrong and the owner seems a nutter but the club are on the up and showing a lot of ambition, you'd fancy them to do better than us over the next few years |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:12 - Apr 29 with 1691 views | KensalT |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:52 - Apr 29 by TheChef |
The Birmingham spending somehow feels a bit more reckless? Splurging on Stansfield (which to be fair seemed to do the trick) and buying Dykes too, just because.
Whereas Wrexham seem more shrewd in terms of recruitment and Reynolds and co. have leveraged proper blue chip sponsorships with HP, United Airlines, etc.
Meanwhile Mrs Chef thinking the Wrexham story is a lovely little fairy tale, great for the town, etc. While I tell her most proper football fans can't stand them and the owners! Arguably mainly driven by jealousy, to be fair... |
Stansfield had already proven he could do it for them in the Championship so it wasn't that much of a risk.
Knighthead have very big ambitions for Birmingham.
TK1 is right to compare them to Man City, at least in terms of what they want. But they certainly have a lot further to go than City had to.
Tom Wagner is pointing at Villa's recent success and saying that should be us.
They have their sights on a new campus with a 60,000 seat stadium and a state of the art training centre similar to what Man City have done in Manchester.
They're looking to redevelop a run down part of the second biggest city in the country. Their proposed new ground is not far from the airport and will be close to the HS2 link (if it ever gets built!)
There's a lot of risk involved and a lot could go wrong but they have a lot more potential than Wrexham.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/knighthead-hold-fu
"The project, which is expected to set Knighthead back towards £3bn, is set to create over 8,000 jobs and substantially boost the local economy and the owners of Blues have been in regular talks with the Government about their plans for the east of the city." | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:15 - Apr 29 with 1657 views | TheChef |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:12 - Apr 29 by KensalT |
Stansfield had already proven he could do it for them in the Championship so it wasn't that much of a risk.
Knighthead have very big ambitions for Birmingham.
TK1 is right to compare them to Man City, at least in terms of what they want. But they certainly have a lot further to go than City had to.
Tom Wagner is pointing at Villa's recent success and saying that should be us.
They have their sights on a new campus with a 60,000 seat stadium and a state of the art training centre similar to what Man City have done in Manchester.
They're looking to redevelop a run down part of the second biggest city in the country. Their proposed new ground is not far from the airport and will be close to the HS2 link (if it ever gets built!)
There's a lot of risk involved and a lot could go wrong but they have a lot more potential than Wrexham.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/knighthead-hold-fu
"The project, which is expected to set Knighthead back towards £3bn, is set to create over 8,000 jobs and substantially boost the local economy and the owners of Blues have been in regular talks with the Government about their plans for the east of the city." |
Yes fair to say the overall size of the prize is bigger in Birmingham than in Wrexham.
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:28 - Apr 29 with 1466 views | Beckenhamhoop |
Unsubstantiated rumour meets conspiracy theory meets irrational grievance meets rational grievance meets attention seeking nonsense meets borderline personality disorder.
I love Loft for words. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:28 - Apr 29 with 1466 views | lassel |
Hunter, if you keep writing ‘Hammerby’ you’ll have a bunch of tanked up Swedes after you  | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:53 - Apr 29 with 1257 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:36 - Apr 29 by Maggsinho |
Not been following them particularly but are Wrexham and Birmingham well run or are they just throwing money at things? I'd like to think if we had spent £20m on a striker we'd be in a better position in the league now. |
If we had spent £20m on a striker then the League would give us another record breaking fine for flouting the P&S rules.
It's well known that in L1 the permitted losses are a little bit higher, which is how Wrexham and Birmingham have "got away with it"
Both of those promoted teams also have a larger income than QPR, which allows them to lose more money, because of a larger ground or income from a TV deal/sponsorships |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:56 - Apr 29 with 1226 views | R_from_afar |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:44 - Apr 29 by silverbirch |
RFA, mate, on behalf of my dad, Hillsy and myself, I can’t apologise enough. |
No need to, mate, I wouldn't change a thing 
Well, perhaps 60% of our results  .... |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:03 - Apr 29 with 1140 views | TK1 |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:53 - Apr 29 by nick_hammersmith |
If we had spent £20m on a striker then the League would give us another record breaking fine for flouting the P&S rules.
It's well known that in L1 the permitted losses are a little bit higher, which is how Wrexham and Birmingham have "got away with it"
Both of those promoted teams also have a larger income than QPR, which allows them to lose more money, because of a larger ground or income from a TV deal/sponsorships |
Birmingham already have bigger commercial deals with Nike, Delta and Undefeated than most Championship clubs, there's an Amazon Prime doc about them which is going to draw in further sponsorship and the minority shareholder is Tom Brady who can pull in all kinds of money. Wagner himself fronts a $10 billion investment fund and the number one thing he's charged with is making sure that all the group's investments in the wider area help cover any P&S rules both in the Champ and PL.
Next year's Championship is going to be very hard work indeed for everyone not in receipt of parachute payments. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:03 - Apr 29 with 1138 views | slmrstid |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:28 - Apr 29 by lassel |
Hunter, if you keep writing ‘Hammerby’ you’ll have a bunch of tanked up Swedes after you |
How's Hammarby's current manager doing? Maybe if he's any good after Marti goes we can pinch him, then the same after etc, and in effect treat Hammarby as our de facto recruiters. |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:07 - Apr 29 with 1064 views | SimplyNico |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:52 - Apr 29 by TheChef |
The Birmingham spending somehow feels a bit more reckless? Splurging on Stansfield (which to be fair seemed to do the trick) and buying Dykes too, just because.
Whereas Wrexham seem more shrewd in terms of recruitment and Reynolds and co. have leveraged proper blue chip sponsorships with HP, United Airlines, etc.
Meanwhile Mrs Chef thinking the Wrexham story is a lovely little fairy tale, great for the town, etc. While I tell her most proper football fans can't stand them and the owners! Arguably mainly driven by jealousy, to be fair... |
The Wrexham project is incredibly well run. I have been working with someone who has been involved in it at a very senior level. They are not mucking about with some tinpot two person "sports consultancy". They apparently had 16 fulltime New York based sports consultants working on the project last year. They have a new ground planned (which will go through on the nod), and the Premier League is the target.
Reynolds and McElhenney also have a tremendous amount of personal integrity. There has been, and there is going to be, a lot of people who fall by the wayside because they are not good enough to step up, and they look after them. They are stepchanging as they go, replacing the Exec team and the players with people that can do the job.
We are miles away from that. In fact, we are light years away. [Post edited 29 Apr 15:09]
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:14 - Apr 29 with 993 views | KensalT |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:07 - Apr 29 by SimplyNico |
The Wrexham project is incredibly well run. I have been working with someone who has been involved in it at a very senior level. They are not mucking about with some tinpot two person "sports consultancy". They apparently had 16 fulltime New York based sports consultants working on the project last year. They have a new ground planned (which will go through on the nod), and the Premier League is the target.
Reynolds and McElhenney also have a tremendous amount of personal integrity. There has been, and there is going to be, a lot of people who fall by the wayside because they are not good enough to step up, and they look after them. They are stepchanging as they go, replacing the Exec team and the players with people that can do the job.
We are miles away from that. In fact, we are light years away. [Post edited 29 Apr 15:09]
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Wrexham had a pretty good team back in the seventies but they never got higher than the second tier.
Logically the PL should be a step too far for them. But if Bournemouth and Luton can do it....... | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:17 - Apr 29 with 965 views | GaryHaddock |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:07 - Apr 29 by SimplyNico |
The Wrexham project is incredibly well run. I have been working with someone who has been involved in it at a very senior level. They are not mucking about with some tinpot two person "sports consultancy". They apparently had 16 fulltime New York based sports consultants working on the project last year. They have a new ground planned (which will go through on the nod), and the Premier League is the target.
Reynolds and McElhenney also have a tremendous amount of personal integrity. There has been, and there is going to be, a lot of people who fall by the wayside because they are not good enough to step up, and they look after them. They are stepchanging as they go, replacing the Exec team and the players with people that can do the job.
We are miles away from that. In fact, we are light years away. [Post edited 29 Apr 15:09]
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:18 - Apr 29 with 955 views | QPR_Jim |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:45 - Apr 29 by Hunterhoop |
Meant to post it this earlier today but got distracted. The conversation has moved on (and Dave is completely right). However, still going to go ahead and post as it’s already typed..
A lot of us, who perhaps know a little, and infer more from it, are very aware Cifuentes is no angel. He is ambitious. His agent contacted a few clubs last summer (they weren’t interested in him), and I have no doubt he gave the green light on the Sun article about the relationship breakdown with Nourry, and i think it’s highly likely his agent was talking to WBA.
But these types of conversations are had by agents and players (under contract) all the time in the game. It is silly to get angry or upset about it. We did exactly the same thing when bringing him in from Hammarby IF.
Also, it’s my view that Cifuentes has done a good job 2 years running keeping us up with the cards he was dealt (firstly taking over Ainsworth’s mess, secondly getting survival out of this squad and some poor recruitment last summer). I think he has shown he is capable at this level, potentially someone who could improve and improve us to the next level.
Our CEO/DOF has not displayed he is competent or to be trusted yet. He has lied about his background and experience. This is provable. He has gone hot and heavy on data led recruitment, and it’s hardly been a success so far. His comms strategy is startlingly arrogant/naive (delete as you see fit). He continues to employ a friend in the role responsible for our fitness and conditioning (“Performance”), who is based permanently in Dubai and working for other sports outfits, whilst we have had a dreadful time of injuries, specifically soft tissue injuries the experts say are entirely avoidable with the right conditioning. All the while he wouldn’t allow a long serving employee (manager level) work from home FT forcing them to quit. Supposedly he wanted to sack Cifuentes back in November but was prevented by Ruben. Given results took off afterwards, it’s safe to conclude that decision kept us up. I have also heard from a couple of people now that he hired a PR consultant to work directly for him, not the media team, from back then to help manage Cifuentes’ exit. His own football rumours website, which he is still listed as the editor of, posted rumours about Cifuentes getting sacked and us hiring Gregory Vignal. He hasn’t allowed any access to Cifuentes outside of the league’s required channels. The fans forum was PR manipulation announcing stuff agreed weeks/months prior. The Fans Q&A has disappeared into thin air. We’re now letting away fans back in the School Lower when we said that wasn’t the plan. We’re meant to managing costs tightly and yet we have a bloated “Performance” department and a Head of Methodology (with no idea what they are accountable for). In the closed doors session with some fans who lead fan groups or social media channels, he deliberately lied to them about something - implying there was no way something would happen, which within a week had happened. It was a good thing but you can only conclude that was a deliberate lie to see if anyone leaked it. He has also lied to someone I know who has met him in a business capacity.
There’s more too but it can’t be said/posted/alluded to.
All that being understood, part of me feels for Cifuentes. I would be looking at other opportunities in the same situation. It’s not an environment conducive to success for Cifuentes or the club.
Everything points to the bloke being a chancer. A smart, well educated chancer, but a chancer nonetheless. 3.5 years ago he was running an advisory business in the social media space, FFS. I don’t like this type of character normally, but much less so when they are in a position of leadership. And it’s far worse when it’s the role leading your football club!
I think he makes decisions for his best interests, not the interests of the football club. And even if/when he does the latter, I have little confidence he will make the right decision because he is unqualified for the role. And I don’t trust him.
It’s just not a he said/she said scenario where they are both as bad as each other…
Back to Dave’s point, it’s ultimately on the Board, as ever, for giving the go ahead to appoint him and give him both roles. However, it is something the Board could easily resolve in the summer. [Post edited 29 Apr 14:42]
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I'm glad you decided to post that, really builds a picture of what Nourry is like. I've said since the poor start to the season that he should go or at least have a DoF brought in to work alongside him, but unfortunately that's not happened. It seems he's been allowed free reign with our club to live out his fantasy of being in control of a football club with very little oversight. Absentee owners and semi-retired Hoos to oversee him, not great.
Ultimately the responsibility does lie with the board and owners for appointing him and setting the tone for the whole club. We always come back to the issue that we lose £2m a month, so it's going to be more difficult to find new owners than CEO/Chairman/DoF etc. Our owners seem to get taken in by every chancer going, to the detriment of the club and their own finances. There must be good QPR people who could fill those roles who would do their best for the club no matter what, not just line further their own interests. |  | | |
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