| Sky Sports Breaking News 15:46 - Apr 27 with 44675 views | welwynranger |
Reporting that represensatives ofMarti have been talking to another championship club.
5 minutes ago.
No further info at the moment.
Bit worrying
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:47 - Apr 28 with 4016 views | Rsole |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 10:48 - Apr 28 by Northernr |
Well it's not a particularly attractive proposition even if they gave you it for free.
At the last set of accounts it's costing them around £2m a month.
For that you get a team that's a million miles away from a promotion prospect and needs major surgery in every area, but FFP restrictions mean you can't really spend on the team. We had a half decent opportunity last summer and bought this lot.
So who wants to pay £2m a month to keep QPR kicking around 16th in the Championship, stuck in a tiny and decaying stadium? |
Someone who wants to launder a lot of money I would imagine :-) |  |
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:49 - Apr 28 with 3965 views | Jimboqpr |
It'll be interesting to see if Marti is allowed to manage the team this Saturday or not. He might need to borrow some gardening gloves from Ollie [Post edited 28 Apr 12:14]
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:04 - Apr 28 with 3756 views | mart_Goblin |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 10:58 - Apr 28 by aston_hoop |
Either Saito on a permanent or Dunne's contract, one of those will be released at the same time. |
Starting to wonder if we will even know if players get released or not and the only way we will find out is if they a) sign a new contract with us , but even then we might not find out , b) another club announces a new signing and it’s one of ‘ours’ on a free or c) we rock up for the first game of the season and see for ourselves whose missing .
Being facetious of course but I just don’t know anymore . I really don’t |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:14 - Apr 28 with 3619 views | daveB |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:49 - Apr 28 by Jimboqpr |
It'll be interesting to see if Marti is allowed to manage the team this Saturday or not. He might need to borrow some gardening gloves from Ollie [Post edited 28 Apr 12:14]
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why wouldn't he be allowed to manage them?
Jimmy Dunnes agent has spoke to other clubs and he's captain at the moment, am sure the other out of contract players have done the same and we will be doing the same to other players
Until he's offered another job or sacked he should be in the dugout
It's very unlikely that he stays but there is always a scenatio where the club listen to his issues and come to a compromise meaning he stays. As I say thats very unlikely now but if no one comes in for him they might all have to find a way to work together |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:18 - Apr 28 with 3536 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:14 - Apr 28 by daveB |
why wouldn't he be allowed to manage them?
Jimmy Dunnes agent has spoke to other clubs and he's captain at the moment, am sure the other out of contract players have done the same and we will be doing the same to other players
Until he's offered another job or sacked he should be in the dugout
It's very unlikely that he stays but there is always a scenatio where the club listen to his issues and come to a compromise meaning he stays. As I say thats very unlikely now but if no one comes in for him they might all have to find a way to work together |
It's weird isn't it?
In the old days if you had a player like Jimmy Dunne who wouldn't sign his contract, he might get dropped.
But, when there are only a few games to go and squad is paper thin is that even possible? |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:25 - Apr 28 with 3451 views | Jimboqpr |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:14 - Apr 28 by daveB |
why wouldn't he be allowed to manage them?
Jimmy Dunnes agent has spoke to other clubs and he's captain at the moment, am sure the other out of contract players have done the same and we will be doing the same to other players
Until he's offered another job or sacked he should be in the dugout
It's very unlikely that he stays but there is always a scenatio where the club listen to his issues and come to a compromise meaning he stays. As I say thats very unlikely now but if no one comes in for him they might all have to find a way to work together |
Well, If the relationship between Marti and Nourry is as bad as some people think or say then maybe they might tell him to stay away whilst this speculation exists. Things would definitely need to progress with WBA quickly for that to happen though I agree.
Isn't the difference with Jimmy that the club actually want him to sign a new deal and stay? So that's why we're making him captain and starting him. Plus there's no real other alternatives in that position who will be here next season. I don't get the same impression that the club wants Marti here next season at all. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:27 - Apr 28 with 3413 views | SimplyNico |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 09:42 - Apr 28 by QPROslo |
There is a lot of speculation on here. It is just speculation that Marti thinks Nourry is a "c nut" as you put it. The only issue that Marti has raised publicly that I've heard him say, was about the huge number of soft tissue injuries this season which he wants the Club to look into. My speculation for what's worth: I'm not convinced that Nourry is sitting there so comfortably as you suggest. Marti is very popular with the support, rightly so imo. Nourry is not and if he moves Marti out he's not getting more popular. Perhaps more importantly, this idea that one young bloke can be both CEO and DoF was likely something they (Hoos maybe) came up with initially as a way of cutting cost when we were in a very tight FFP situation. This is not quite so acute now and the Owners may want to revisit that decision. |
"It is just speculation that Marti thinks Nourry is a "c nut" as you put it."
Two points there. First, I was limited, quite rightly, by the site's profanity checker in what I wrote.
Second, I didn't say that that was what Marti thought. I had moved to a generalisation about what typically happens with people in that sort of situation. Like most (probably all) people on the site, I have no knowledge of Marti's thoughts on the matter. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 12:57 - Apr 28 with 3133 views | Beckenhamhoop |
It may have been said already on this thread but if MC ends up managing at a different club next season I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Jimmy Dunne went with him. | | | |
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:36 - Apr 28 with 2810 views | nadera78 |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 11:34 - Apr 28 by nick_hammersmith |
C'mon we had different owners 15 years ago didn't we?
Our main problem is that we are constrained with the P&S rules, which the owner cannot do anything about |
Amit walked through the doors in 2007 (18 years ago), and Ruben joined him in 2011 (14 years).
We're constrained by the P&S rules because of the decisions those men have made over that (approximate) 15 year period. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:26 - Apr 28 with 2392 views | JamesB1979 |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:36 - Apr 28 by nadera78 |
Amit walked through the doors in 2007 (18 years ago), and Ruben joined him in 2011 (14 years).
We're constrained by the P&S rules because of the decisions those men have made over that (approximate) 15 year period. |
Surely it’s a bit of both? They’ve wasted a lot of money previously and made bad decisions (eg getting rid of Warnock) but today we’re constrained that our income isn’t that great, so we’re confined by that and the rolling loss you’re allowed | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:27 - Apr 28 with 2374 views | Bluce_Ree |
I know this is going to sound dramatic but what odds can you get on us going down next year right now? With Marti unconfirmed. Because if he goes and we still have all our other problems, that's got to be a reasonable bet.
Not being dramatic or anything. Just wondering. I don't do betting shit so I've got no idea. |  |
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:28 - Apr 28 with 2369 views | wombat |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:26 - Apr 28 by JamesB1979 |
Surely it’s a bit of both? They’ve wasted a lot of money previously and made bad decisions (eg getting rid of Warnock) but today we’re constrained that our income isn’t that great, so we’re confined by that and the rolling loss you’re allowed |
we was under the same rules when warnock was here and in fact hes part of why money has been tra tight in recent years , as we gave himn what he asked for and he spent the lot , so less moneyand not much in the way of transfer fees in recent years |  |
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:37 - Apr 28 with 2269 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:27 - Apr 28 by Bluce_Ree |
I know this is going to sound dramatic but what odds can you get on us going down next year right now? With Marti unconfirmed. Because if he goes and we still have all our other problems, that's got to be a reasonable bet.
Not being dramatic or anything. Just wondering. I don't do betting shit so I've got no idea. |
Bookies won't tend to do betting odds until all the teams are known for next year. They don't miss a trick, obviously, so when they do I would doubt there will be generous odds on relegation. Maybe barely even odds against, especially as there doesn't seem to be any obvious whipping boys arriving from down below. [Post edited 28 Apr 14:46]
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:38 - Apr 28 with 2260 views | loftus77 |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:27 - Apr 28 by Bluce_Ree |
I know this is going to sound dramatic but what odds can you get on us going down next year right now? With Marti unconfirmed. Because if he goes and we still have all our other problems, that's got to be a reasonable bet.
Not being dramatic or anything. Just wondering. I don't do betting shit so I've got no idea. |
Nor me. If Marti departs us, 1000-1 on 21st place or above, I guess. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:46 - Apr 28 with 2210 views | baz_qpr |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:36 - Apr 28 by nadera78 |
Amit walked through the doors in 2007 (18 years ago), and Ruben joined him in 2011 (14 years).
We're constrained by the P&S rules because of the decisions those men have made over that (approximate) 15 year period. |
No, that's irrelevant.
You can rightly argue that we have squandered the opportunity afforded by premiership and parachute payments from 2011 and 2014.
However, the reality is that P & S rules limit us, not because our owners won't invest but because they are not allowed to spend more than the allowed losses. Our ground and our ability to generate income is what puts us at a disadvantage. |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:46 - Apr 28 with 2203 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 13:36 - Apr 28 by nadera78 |
Amit walked through the doors in 2007 (18 years ago), and Ruben joined him in 2011 (14 years).
We're constrained by the P&S rules because of the decisions those men have made over that (approximate) 15 year period. |
I thought Amit was gone now?
P&S is a rolling three year window. What happened four years ago has no bearing on the permitted losses we can make.
I think it was said above, but the only thing we could have done earlier is maybe have the owners sponsor more things around the club to raise the income and reduce the losses, like Stoke do to good effect ea season?
The money that Warnock and Warburton spent doesn't matter anymore. I don't even think our record breaking FFP fine counts towards P&S | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:49 - Apr 28 with 2161 views | wombat |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:46 - Apr 28 by nick_hammersmith |
I thought Amit was gone now?
P&S is a rolling three year window. What happened four years ago has no bearing on the permitted losses we can make.
I think it was said above, but the only thing we could have done earlier is maybe have the owners sponsor more things around the club to raise the income and reduce the losses, like Stoke do to good effect ea season?
The money that Warnock and Warburton spent doesn't matter anymore. I don't even think our record breaking FFP fine counts towards P&S |
think amit is still holing around 15% of the shares as of last accounts, reilly slightly less | |
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:09 - Apr 28 with 1959 views | TheChef |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:49 - Apr 28 by wombat |
think amit is still holing around 15% of the shares as of last accounts, reilly slightly less |
Was rewatching The Four Year Plan the other day (a timely reminder that even when enjoying success we're a soap opera/circus) and Amit really does come across well. Arguably not difficult when compared with Flavio etc. And always easier to look good when the football side is going well and you have a decent manager. Harder to make good decisions when you're up against I think.
Of course it always ends up with that sliding doors moment in August 2011 when Flavio and co sold up to Tony Pony rather than the Mittals. Who knows how the next couple of seasons would have panned out instead? [Post edited 28 Apr 15:16]
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:12 - Apr 28 with 1906 views | Beckenhamhoop |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:38 - Apr 28 by loftus77 |
Nor me. If Marti departs us, 1000-1 on 21st place or above, I guess. |
There is always the possibility that a new manager comes
in and plays a style suited to the players we have demands that they work hard and are well drilled and we have a far better season. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:16 - Apr 28 with 1867 views | Boston |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 09:49 - Apr 28 by johnhoop |
As I posted a couple of days ago, I fear our next coach is likely to be Mr. A Puppet. |
Unfortunately, there will be strings attached. [Post edited 28 Apr 15:16]
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:23 - Apr 28 with 1748 views | dmm |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:49 - Apr 28 by wombat |
think amit is still holing around 15% of the shares as of last accounts, reilly slightly less |
The last time I saw it, the shareholding was as follows: 77% Ruben Gnanalingam, 10% Richard Reilly, and 13% Lakshmi Mittal. |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:33 - Apr 28 with 1669 views | GroveR |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:09 - Apr 28 by TheChef |
Was rewatching The Four Year Plan the other day (a timely reminder that even when enjoying success we're a soap opera/circus) and Amit really does come across well. Arguably not difficult when compared with Flavio etc. And always easier to look good when the football side is going well and you have a decent manager. Harder to make good decisions when you're up against I think.
Of course it always ends up with that sliding doors moment in August 2011 when Flavio and co sold up to Tony Pony rather than the Mittals. Who knows how the next couple of seasons would have panned out instead? [Post edited 28 Apr 15:16]
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Bernie the Poison Dwarf (who brought out Flabio's shares) described the Mittal offer as "derisory." Given he'd paid a penny a share for the club (£1m plus taking on £14m of debt), getting Fernandes to pay £35m was great business.
One could imagine the Mittal due diligence process went a bit further than doing a few kick-ups in the board room and realised the club was built upon what can only be described as solid bed of cùnts. |  | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:38 - Apr 28 with 1595 views | TheChef |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:33 - Apr 28 by GroveR |
Bernie the Poison Dwarf (who brought out Flabio's shares) described the Mittal offer as "derisory." Given he'd paid a penny a share for the club (£1m plus taking on £14m of debt), getting Fernandes to pay £35m was great business.
One could imagine the Mittal due diligence process went a bit further than doing a few kick-ups in the board room and realised the club was built upon what can only be described as solid bed of cùnts. |
Can't help feeling Ecclestone was the biggest cnt of the lot.
94 years old FFS.
Cnt. | |
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| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:41 - Apr 28 with 1525 views | nadera78 |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:46 - Apr 28 by nick_hammersmith |
I thought Amit was gone now?
P&S is a rolling three year window. What happened four years ago has no bearing on the permitted losses we can make.
I think it was said above, but the only thing we could have done earlier is maybe have the owners sponsor more things around the club to raise the income and reduce the losses, like Stoke do to good effect ea season?
The money that Warnock and Warburton spent doesn't matter anymore. I don't even think our record breaking FFP fine counts towards P&S |
Current shareholders are Ruben, Amit and Reilly. It was reported that Fernandes has a buy-back option if we were to reach the PL.
If the owners hadn't been fantasising about building 10s of thousands of flats at Old Oak they could have bought one of three excellent plots at White City and built a stadium there and redeveloped Loftus Rd. Then our P&S outlook would be completely different.
As it is, their incompetence has doomed the club to a lingering death at Loftus Rd. | | | |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 15:43 - Apr 28 with 1498 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Sky Sports Breaking News on 14:46 - Apr 28 by baz_qpr |
No, that's irrelevant.
You can rightly argue that we have squandered the opportunity afforded by premiership and parachute payments from 2011 and 2014.
However, the reality is that P & S rules limit us, not because our owners won't invest but because they are not allowed to spend more than the allowed losses. Our ground and our ability to generate income is what puts us at a disadvantage. |
As a matter of interest - do you know how bad that constraint is relative to other Championship clubs? Do you know where we sit in the league in terms of maximum P&S headroom created by commercial revenue / turnover? |  | | |
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