| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:02 - Jun 1 with 3049 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 03:57 - Jun 1 by lassel |
The compensation angle only works if you believe that anyone is going to actually pay it, which the gardening leave stunt immediately killed as any interested club now knows it’s an untenable situation.
As said, they very quickly offered to let him go compensation free once they realised West Brom weren’t going to hire him as they knew they’d dug a hole halfway to China. They’re now stuck paying him (plus the new manager) until either his contract expires or he takes a new job, which he is in no rush to do. |
When does his contract actually run out?
Perhaps QPR should lock him in a cupboard and treat his wages like that Adobe free trial you forgot to cancel and now just pay every month. [Post edited 1 Jun 9:05]
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:06 - Jun 1 with 2693 views | mart_Goblin |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:59 - Jun 1 by BklynRanger |
Hold on are you saying they actually brought in PR consultants, not even singular but plural to handle it?! Is that solid info? If so it's mind boggling. |
Brought them in in November apparently and then was made to U-Turn by Ruben.
But they remained . |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:16 - Jun 1 with 2611 views | BklynRanger |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:06 - Jun 1 by mart_Goblin |
Brought them in in November apparently and then was made to U-Turn by Ruben.
But they remained . |
So Nourry brought in PR consultants in November, to manage getting rid of Marti towards the end of that disastrous season's start; results then improved but the PR men/women hung around on the payroll doing fcuk knows what, and at the end of the season they were part of the brain trust that came up with putting him on gardening leave?
If all of that is the case I don't know whether to laugh or cry, probably both. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:17 - Jun 1 with 2585 views | lassel |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:35 - Jun 1 by JamesB1979 |
I’m not talking about PR or to be honest about whether Marti should have stayed or gone. I’m just saying from money point of view, your option is more expensive. |
I’d like to see your maths on paying Cifuentes a modest package to go ‘amicably’ being more expensive than us potentially paying him the rest of his contract *plus* a new manager on top. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:40 - Jun 1 with 2459 views | JamesB1979 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:17 - Jun 1 by lassel |
I’d like to see your maths on paying Cifuentes a modest package to go ‘amicably’ being more expensive than us potentially paying him the rest of his contract *plus* a new manager on top. |
Modest compensation package? I’ve no idea what was offered. It’s only your rumour that one was even offered.
I hope that he was put on gardening leave because they had evidence that he breached contract. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:05 - Jun 1 with 2304 views | 1JD |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:40 - Jun 1 by JamesB1979 |
Modest compensation package? I’ve no idea what was offered. It’s only your rumour that one was even offered.
I hope that he was put on gardening leave because they had evidence that he breached contract. |
If an employee is placed on gardening leave there is no breach of contact. The employee has done nothing wrong that would justify dismissal. It is a power play, designed to remove and control the employee.
Marti said in his last public words “he was calm with what he has delivered this season”. In other words, he delivered what the club asked of him - avoid relegation, and bring through young players from the academy.
And he did both, so couldn’t be fired - he knew this, and Hoos and Nourry knew this. But they wanted him out. All of this that is playing out is the result of Hoos and Nourry’s hatched and botched plan. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:06 - Jun 1 with 2298 views | Gus_iom |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:17 - Jun 1 by lassel |
I’d like to see your maths on paying Cifuentes a modest package to go ‘amicably’ being more expensive than us potentially paying him the rest of his contract *plus* a new manager on top. |
Lassel, you spent last season repeating things that MC told your wife to this forum.
I don't think that he wouldn't know that that was happening, so it was either a power-play by him or him manoeuvring himself out of Rangers.
If he didn't know about it, then you were betraying his confidences.
Nourry and the rest of the club executives would certainly have known about this leak, which could only have raised tensions. If I remember rightly, and another forum user reminded me of this, at one stage you posted that MC didn't like the players - if I'm wrong there, please accept my apologies. The players would have known this.
I wont deny that its been fascinating as a supporter to have read your posts through the season, if not necessarily helpful to QPR, dependant on your/Marti's motives.
Would you care to comment any further on this? | |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:19 - Jun 1 with 2216 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:06 - Jun 1 by Gus_iom |
Lassel, you spent last season repeating things that MC told your wife to this forum.
I don't think that he wouldn't know that that was happening, so it was either a power-play by him or him manoeuvring himself out of Rangers.
If he didn't know about it, then you were betraying his confidences.
Nourry and the rest of the club executives would certainly have known about this leak, which could only have raised tensions. If I remember rightly, and another forum user reminded me of this, at one stage you posted that MC didn't like the players - if I'm wrong there, please accept my apologies. The players would have known this.
I wont deny that its been fascinating as a supporter to have read your posts through the season, if not necessarily helpful to QPR, dependant on your/Marti's motives.
Would you care to comment any further on this? |
Leaking info about the club isn’t nearly as damaging as the current actions of the owners and CEO.
Don’t get why the messenger is getting shit over this. | | | |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:22 - Jun 1 with 2169 views | baz_qpr |
Nearly all of this would be in his contract anyway, it's the same with any manager, there will be an amount agreed if contract terminated, paid monthly and stops if they get another role it won't be the full contract value. Gardening leave is used in non football business for senior management and sales people and its usually done to stop people tapping up clients or staff. I'm sure as part of the gardening clause he is not allowed to take any data (transfer targets) or speak to current members of staff. So for example if he had got the West Brom job this prevents him from tapping up a Jimmy Dunne or a Chair or coaching staff. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:40 - Jun 1 with 2054 views | Rsole |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:56 - Jun 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I‘m not sure who, but yeah a decent thought. |
#announcenourry |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:26 - Jun 1 with 1829 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:19 - Jun 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Leaking info about the club isn’t nearly as damaging as the current actions of the owners and CEO.
Don’t get why the messenger is getting shit over this. |
I agree with you, Bazz, that it's not *as* damaging, but it is certainly wrong imo (if, of course, it happened. And it's not helpful.
I don't see this as Gus giving shít to lassel, I think he's certainly within his rights to ask the question he did.
PS It was me reminded Gus that lassel posted something along the lines of Cifuentes not liking the players. I had/have it in my mind that there were two posts along those lines. I couldn't find them, though, I admit. |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:04 - Jun 1 with 1616 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:26 - Jun 1 by BrianMcCarthy |
I agree with you, Bazz, that it's not *as* damaging, but it is certainly wrong imo (if, of course, it happened. And it's not helpful.
I don't see this as Gus giving shít to lassel, I think he's certainly within his rights to ask the question he did.
PS It was me reminded Gus that lassel posted something along the lines of Cifuentes not liking the players. I had/have it in my mind that there were two posts along those lines. I couldn't find them, though, I admit. |
Yeah, I dunno mate, I think we’re losing sight of what the issue is. It’s not a dude posting on a forum for me.
It would be sad if we slipped into in fighting like the Paliadini days. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:07 - Jun 1 with 1589 views | lassel |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:40 - Jun 1 by JamesB1979 |
Modest compensation package? I’ve no idea what was offered. It’s only your rumour that one was even offered.
I hope that he was put on gardening leave because they had evidence that he breached contract. |
He was put on gardening leave because he *hasnt* breached his contract and they can’t sack him. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:14 - Jun 1 with 1544 views | Gus_iom |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:19 - Jun 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Leaking info about the club isn’t nearly as damaging as the current actions of the owners and CEO.
Don’t get why the messenger is getting shit over this. |
I've always stated my preference for Marti over Nourry, if given the option.
But it's not a dichotomy to think that Nourry is not experienced enough to he holding the roles he is and that Marti leaking inside information about the club through a third party can both be damaging to the club, accepting that Cifuentes is probably tied to a NDA.
I'm not giving Lassel shit, I just want to know the truth.
Turns out I'm just McCarthy's sock puppet anyway! 😄 | |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:30 - Jun 1 with 1439 views | KensalT |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:07 - Jun 1 by lassel |
He was put on gardening leave because he *hasnt* breached his contract and they can’t sack him. |
Gardening leave can only be used in a situation where an employee is leaving their job:
https://www.davidsonmorris.com/garden-leave/
"Garden leave, or gardening leave as it’s also referred to, describes the workplace practice where an employee leaving a job – having resigned, been made redundant or dismissed – is instructed by their employer not to attend the workplace or perform any duties, either at home or otherwise, during the whole or part of their notice period."
And if you can't be bothered to read the whole article there also needs to be a clause in the employment contract covering gardening leave. Alternatively an employee can only be put on gardening leave if both parties agree (or there could be a claim by the employee for breach of contract.)
Since you are telling us that he *hasn't* been sacked it therefore must mean that Marti is the one who gave notice to the club.
And since you claim to know all there is to know about Marti, why don't you put us all out of our misery and explain when notice was given, how long the notice period is, and on what day the notice will expire and we can all get on with our lives?? | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:33 - Jun 1 with 1406 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:14 - Jun 1 by Gus_iom |
I've always stated my preference for Marti over Nourry, if given the option.
But it's not a dichotomy to think that Nourry is not experienced enough to he holding the roles he is and that Marti leaking inside information about the club through a third party can both be damaging to the club, accepting that Cifuentes is probably tied to a NDA.
I'm not giving Lassel shit, I just want to know the truth.
Turns out I'm just McCarthy's sock puppet anyway! 😄 |
Yeah, I don’t think anyone really comes out of this smelling of roses, but only one party really has the power to affect change.
I knew what you meant when you responded to Lassel and I know you well enough to know it’s a legit question, but I suspect with others it’s become personal.
I hope Bri’s hands aren’t too cold : ) | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:36 - Jun 1 with 1378 views | BklynRanger |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:14 - Jun 1 by Gus_iom |
I've always stated my preference for Marti over Nourry, if given the option.
But it's not a dichotomy to think that Nourry is not experienced enough to he holding the roles he is and that Marti leaking inside information about the club through a third party can both be damaging to the club, accepting that Cifuentes is probably tied to a NDA.
I'm not giving Lassel shit, I just want to know the truth.
Turns out I'm just McCarthy's sock puppet anyway! 😄 |
I do agree Sock, I mean Gus.
If it was a custody battle I too would choose to live with Marti rather than Christian. But as you say, there are plenty of WTF?'s to go round here. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:38 - Jun 1 with 1348 views | Gus_iom |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:33 - Jun 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Yeah, I don’t think anyone really comes out of this smelling of roses, but only one party really has the power to affect change.
I knew what you meant when you responded to Lassel and I know you well enough to know it’s a legit question, but I suspect with others it’s become personal.
I hope Bri’s hands aren’t too cold : ) |
I wish he'd trim his nails. | |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:40 - Jun 1 with 1340 views | lassel |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:06 - Jun 1 by Gus_iom |
Lassel, you spent last season repeating things that MC told your wife to this forum.
I don't think that he wouldn't know that that was happening, so it was either a power-play by him or him manoeuvring himself out of Rangers.
If he didn't know about it, then you were betraying his confidences.
Nourry and the rest of the club executives would certainly have known about this leak, which could only have raised tensions. If I remember rightly, and another forum user reminded me of this, at one stage you posted that MC didn't like the players - if I'm wrong there, please accept my apologies. The players would have known this.
I wont deny that its been fascinating as a supporter to have read your posts through the season, if not necessarily helpful to QPR, dependant on your/Marti's motives.
Would you care to comment any further on this? |
To clarify, people assumed it was via my wife because of her now former role and me not saying for obvious reasons exactly who I’m in touch with - it’s not her though and is/was a couple of people close to MC within football.
It must have been someone else who claimed that MC ‘hated the players’ possibly the same person who claimed that everyone was glad MC was gone based off twitter rumours, it didn’t come from me - at Hammarby he had (and still has) a great relationship with the players and he had a good one here too, as we saw with Chair raving about him just before he left. He often subtly called out Paal in post match interviews but I have no doubt he was telling him the same behind closed doors about what he wanted from him.
Most of what I’ve posted about has been the behind the scenes tensions and of course I only shared things that wouldn’t be an issue from his side to be out there - it’s not anything he wasn’t telling them regularly behind the scenes and nothing that a couple of others on here werent hearing from other people within the club. As North keeps saying, when the club treat everyone with contempt on the information front they create an environment where this sort of info becomes more interesting than if they just talked to us.
I would also add that I have been critical of MC as well - I 100% supported the club reading him the riot act last summer and think he owed us this season being fully focused after we took a chance on him. I though the Shepperd stuff at Burnley was poor and unfair on a young kid who by all accounts is great around the club and is just trying to live his dream, i think he’s made poor line up choices and been too slow with substitutions in game. In the whole though, with a potentially biased outlook, I saw it as Hoos and Nourry being a bigger issuer than Cifuentes in their fractious relationship.
Ultimately im a QPR fan too so I really hope they get it right with the new manager and he smashes it here. I don’t think/I would at least hope that nobody who has been critical of Nourry and Hoos wants anything but for them to smash it. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:44 - Jun 1 with 1311 views | TK1 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:07 - Jun 1 by lassel |
He was put on gardening leave because he *hasnt* breached his contract and they can’t sack him. |
Typically, gardening leaves works like this:
You work for Coca-Cola. Pepsi offer you a job which you decide to take because the money is better and the title is swankier.
You tell your boss at Coke, who immediately puts you on gardening leave for the duration of your notice period. (Might be a long time)
IF, however, you go for a lunch or even an interview with Pepsi but do not accept a job, then Coke cannot put you on gardening leave. But they may choose to dismiss you instead (complicated biz, however)
This is why, generally, football clubs do not place employees on gardening leave. Because everyone is talking to everyone else all the time.
Which got me thinking...I wonder if there's a universe where Marti Cifuentes has actually accepted a role at another club and QPR are actually managing the exit whilst MC is on gardening leave?
Unlikely I know. But not impossible. Would be a good twist. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:53 - Jun 1 with 1241 views | JamesB1979 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:30 - Jun 1 by KensalT |
Gardening leave can only be used in a situation where an employee is leaving their job:
https://www.davidsonmorris.com/garden-leave/
"Garden leave, or gardening leave as it’s also referred to, describes the workplace practice where an employee leaving a job – having resigned, been made redundant or dismissed – is instructed by their employer not to attend the workplace or perform any duties, either at home or otherwise, during the whole or part of their notice period."
And if you can't be bothered to read the whole article there also needs to be a clause in the employment contract covering gardening leave. Alternatively an employee can only be put on gardening leave if both parties agree (or there could be a claim by the employee for breach of contract.)
Since you are telling us that he *hasn't* been sacked it therefore must mean that Marti is the one who gave notice to the club.
And since you claim to know all there is to know about Marti, why don't you put us all out of our misery and explain when notice was given, how long the notice period is, and on what day the notice will expire and we can all get on with our lives?? |
Ok. So he has left. Either by contract breach, resignation, sacking or mutual agreement. So given one of those things has happened, placing him on gardening leave probably makes sense. Big question is which of those 4 things happened | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:58 - Jun 1 with 1191 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:53 - Jun 1 by JamesB1979 |
Ok. So he has left. Either by contract breach, resignation, sacking or mutual agreement. So given one of those things has happened, placing him on gardening leave probably makes sense. Big question is which of those 4 things happened |
Isn’t the prevailing opinion he technically didn’t do any of those things and is now why we are painted into a corner? | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:04 - Jun 1 with 1153 views | JamesB1979 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:58 - Jun 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Isn’t the prevailing opinion he technically didn’t do any of those things and is now why we are painted into a corner? |
I’ve no idea. I was just interested to learn that you are placed on gardening leave when employee has actually left. So, it’s not as if he’s going to be on gardening leave for ever, which was kind of implied by a few posters.
One of those “decisions / actions” must have happened based on that article and what another poster said above. 2 of the actions involve Marti, 1 involve Marti and club and 1 is just the club. So, if you believe that it’s not Marti doing anything, then club has sacked him and put him on gardening leave. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:05 - Jun 1 with 1142 views | Gus_iom |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:40 - Jun 1 by lassel |
To clarify, people assumed it was via my wife because of her now former role and me not saying for obvious reasons exactly who I’m in touch with - it’s not her though and is/was a couple of people close to MC within football.
It must have been someone else who claimed that MC ‘hated the players’ possibly the same person who claimed that everyone was glad MC was gone based off twitter rumours, it didn’t come from me - at Hammarby he had (and still has) a great relationship with the players and he had a good one here too, as we saw with Chair raving about him just before he left. He often subtly called out Paal in post match interviews but I have no doubt he was telling him the same behind closed doors about what he wanted from him.
Most of what I’ve posted about has been the behind the scenes tensions and of course I only shared things that wouldn’t be an issue from his side to be out there - it’s not anything he wasn’t telling them regularly behind the scenes and nothing that a couple of others on here werent hearing from other people within the club. As North keeps saying, when the club treat everyone with contempt on the information front they create an environment where this sort of info becomes more interesting than if they just talked to us.
I would also add that I have been critical of MC as well - I 100% supported the club reading him the riot act last summer and think he owed us this season being fully focused after we took a chance on him. I though the Shepperd stuff at Burnley was poor and unfair on a young kid who by all accounts is great around the club and is just trying to live his dream, i think he’s made poor line up choices and been too slow with substitutions in game. In the whole though, with a potentially biased outlook, I saw it as Hoos and Nourry being a bigger issuer than Cifuentes in their fractious relationship.
Ultimately im a QPR fan too so I really hope they get it right with the new manager and he smashes it here. I don’t think/I would at least hope that nobody who has been critical of Nourry and Hoos wants anything but for them to smash it. |
OK, thanks, and apologies for attributing something you didn't post to you.
Re Nourry, I find controlling behaviour utterly unworkable. | |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:08 - Jun 1 with 1103 views | TK1 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:04 - Jun 1 by JamesB1979 |
I’ve no idea. I was just interested to learn that you are placed on gardening leave when employee has actually left. So, it’s not as if he’s going to be on gardening leave for ever, which was kind of implied by a few posters.
One of those “decisions / actions” must have happened based on that article and what another poster said above. 2 of the actions involve Marti, 1 involve Marti and club and 1 is just the club. So, if you believe that it’s not Marti doing anything, then club has sacked him and put him on gardening leave. |
That's not what gardening leave is! You can't be put GL after you've left. It's during the notice period. That *could* be a very long time. If they had him for misconduct, much easier to dismiss.
This is not complicated.
Just to add: I was living with someone who was put gardening leave for the best part of a year, as per their contract. So it could be a long time (it won't be) [Post edited 1 Jun 14:11]
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