| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:12 - Jun 1 with 2658 views | JamesB1979 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:08 - Jun 1 by TK1 |
That's not what gardening leave is! You can't be put GL after you've left. It's during the notice period. That *could* be a very long time. If they had him for misconduct, much easier to dismiss.
This is not complicated.
Just to add: I was living with someone who was put gardening leave for the best part of a year, as per their contract. So it could be a long time (it won't be) [Post edited 1 Jun 14:11]
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I’m probably thick or rather I find all this employment stuff confusing. But based on that article this is gardening leave and purpose of it:
“Garden leave, or gardening leave as it’s also referred to, describes the workplace practice where an employee leaving a job – having resigned, been made redundant or dismissed – is instructed by their employer not to attend the workplace or perform any duties, either at home or otherwise, during the whole or part of their notice period.” |  | |  |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:14 - Jun 1 with 2632 views | kensalriser |
I think we can be fairly confident he hasn't breached his contract because if the club had compelling evidence to that effect he would have been dismissed. |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:16 - Jun 1 with 2620 views | KensalT |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:04 - Jun 1 by JamesB1979 |
I’ve no idea. I was just interested to learn that you are placed on gardening leave when employee has actually left. So, it’s not as if he’s going to be on gardening leave for ever, which was kind of implied by a few posters.
One of those “decisions / actions” must have happened based on that article and what another poster said above. 2 of the actions involve Marti, 1 involve Marti and club and 1 is just the club. So, if you believe that it’s not Marti doing anything, then club has sacked him and put him on gardening leave. |
I think I might have confused you with how I put that across,
I will cut and paste the key point from the previous post:
Gardening leave can only be used in a situation where an employee is leaving their job:
https://www.davidsonmorris.com/garden-leave/
"Garden leave, or gardening leave as it’s also referred to, describes the workplace practice where an employee leaving a job – having resigned, been made redundant or dismissed – is instructed by their employer not to attend the workplace or perform any duties, either at home or otherwise, during the whole or part of their notice period."
So to clarify.
Gardening leave can only be used if Marti is definitely leaving.
There are three scenarios where gardening leave can be used:
- Resignation
- Redundancy
- Dismissal
What might have confused you is where I said that gardening leave must be covered as a possibility in the employment contract.
If the employment contract says nothing about gardening leave then it can only be used if both the employer and employee agree to it.
To put an employee on gardening leave without it either being covered by the contract or with the employees consent would be a potential breach of contract by the employer.
Or in plain English:
Either the club has sacked Marti or Marti has resigned.
I don't expect either the club or Marti to make any statement on that but it would be interesting to know when his notice period expires. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:20 - Jun 1 with 2576 views | JamesB1979 |
Thanks Kensal. I think I get it now.
So he could have another job and have resigned - I’d say unlikely
QPR sacked him. Most likely.
But maybe we’ll never know. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:30 - Jun 1 with 2505 views | Rsole |
To complicate matters further, if you have a fixed term contract of a specific duration - e.g. two years, then the employer would be obliged to pay the full contract out unless the contract was breached. (Taylor Richards was doing his version of gardening leave at Cambridge).
Somewhat different to the real world where a job offer is not pinned down to a contract duration, just a notice period based on years of service, which could also be subject to gardening leave BUT only for the notice period.
So on a fixed contact, you can have the employee see out the contract term in the place of work or in the garden and I am guessing that QPR chose the latter but remain committed to paying wages until the term ends.
Let’s assume it was a 2 year contract, that would see Marti being paid to stay at home until the two year anniversary of the initial contract (assuming it was enhanced and not extended). From memory, that takes it to October 2025 unless a mutually agreed settlement takes place and they rip up the contract.
Some time to go whatever the date unless common sense emerges and a decent replacement is secured.
Pretty shitty decision and succession planning however you look at it. |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:31 - Jun 1 with 2503 views | KensalT |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:20 - Jun 1 by JamesB1979 |
Thanks Kensal. I think I get it now.
So he could have another job and have resigned - I’d say unlikely
QPR sacked him. Most likely.
But maybe we’ll never know. |
If you go back to one of the recent West London Sport podcasts David McIntyre said something about it perhaps being a ploy by Marti to diminish his value to the club, perhaps as a strategy to reduce the compensation clause in his contract. (or words to that effect)
So my guess (and it is only a guess supported by no evidence) is that Marti does have a club lined up but they don't want to pay whatever his release clause is.
In which case Marti could have resigned as a negotiating tactic.
But that really is just a guess by me. I am in no way "ITK".
It could be the club that sacked Marti.
But we're supposed to be a "development club" that wants to develop and profit from trading its players and coaches. In which case the fact that another club wants one of our employees shouldn't be grounds for dismissal.
So to my mind it would seem illogical to sack one of your most valuable assets just because someone else wants him.
But there have been plenty of posts about the working relationship having completely broken down and there might be plenty more going on that I don't know anything about. [Post edited 1 Jun 14:38]
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:34 - Jun 1 with 2484 views | KensalT |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:30 - Jun 1 by Rsole |
To complicate matters further, if you have a fixed term contract of a specific duration - e.g. two years, then the employer would be obliged to pay the full contract out unless the contract was breached. (Taylor Richards was doing his version of gardening leave at Cambridge).
Somewhat different to the real world where a job offer is not pinned down to a contract duration, just a notice period based on years of service, which could also be subject to gardening leave BUT only for the notice period.
So on a fixed contact, you can have the employee see out the contract term in the place of work or in the garden and I am guessing that QPR chose the latter but remain committed to paying wages until the term ends.
Let’s assume it was a 2 year contract, that would see Marti being paid to stay at home until the two year anniversary of the initial contract (assuming it was enhanced and not extended). From memory, that takes it to October 2025 unless a mutually agreed settlement takes place and they rip up the contract.
Some time to go whatever the date unless common sense emerges and a decent replacement is secured.
Pretty shitty decision and succession planning however you look at it. |
Unless it was Marti who resigned.
In which case the club would only have to keep paying him until his notice period expired.
In the meantime, putting him on gardening leave would be the correct decision. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:41 - Jun 1 with 2436 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:04 - Jun 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Yeah, I dunno mate, I think we’re losing sight of what the issue is. It’s not a dude posting on a forum for me.
It would be sad if we slipped into in fighting like the Paliadini days. |
I am worried about that, as well. It would be a crying shame. |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:51 - Jun 1 with 2361 views | Rsole |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:34 - Jun 1 by KensalT |
Unless it was Marti who resigned.
In which case the club would only have to keep paying him until his notice period expired.
In the meantime, putting him on gardening leave would be the correct decision. |
Not sure why you would resign from a fixed term contract with approx 6 months to go unless you had nailed down a better job with better pay.
Would also assume he’d be gone by now if he had resigned (voluntarily terminating the fixed term contract) and waived his rights to the remainder of the contract remuneration. The club would have simply paid the notice period and he’d be gone, making way for a replacement. | |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:59 - Jun 1 with 2261 views | Pdog |
If MC (or people close) were indeed speaking with WBA, we'd only get the comp if WBA triggered the buyout clause in a gentlemanly approach. If he resigend (before joing them) we'd get nothing.
Yes clubs need permission to speak to him, but let’s be real if MC or his camp were talking to WBA, it’s likely been going on behind the scenes. That’s probably where Nourry paranoia kicked in...
Putting him on gardening leave was a gamble as it somewhat protects the club’s position as he cant just walk into another job without consequences, and gives us a bit of leverage to negotiate compensation. But it depends on how much WBA (or any other club) actually want him. Time being the tightrope, we can’t wait forever. And if that interest has cooled, we’re now stuck with an expensive gardener on the payroll… one we’ll likely have to pay off ourselves.
Why not just sack him? Because unless we could prove a breach of contract, we’d have to pay him off. And if we could prove a breach, we’d just be handing over our asset for free. [Post edited 1 Jun 15:15]
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:02 - Jun 1 with 2232 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
If you were an actual gardener it would be like a busman’s holiday wouldn’t it. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:03 - Jun 1 with 2225 views | KensalT |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:51 - Jun 1 by Rsole |
Not sure why you would resign from a fixed term contract with approx 6 months to go unless you had nailed down a better job with better pay.
Would also assume he’d be gone by now if he had resigned (voluntarily terminating the fixed term contract) and waived his rights to the remainder of the contract remuneration. The club would have simply paid the notice period and he’d be gone, making way for a replacement. |
Not sure where you are getting this "6 months to go" from.
MC signed a new contract earlier in the season so I would assume his contract still has more than six months to run:
https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/2024/september/30/cifuentes-calm-new-contracts/
I agree with you that Marti would only resign if he had a better job lined up.
But he would also have a compensation clause in his contract to cover that situation.
If another club wants your manager you don't just let him go for nothing. You make the other club pay (just as you would with a player).
If Marti has resigned because he wants to join another club then the only leverage QPR have is to hold on to him as long as possible to try to force the other club to pay up.
That's why notice periods for key employees tend to be for several months.
It is all ifs, buts, and maybes. I don't know that MC has resigned. But I see no benefit at all to QPR in sacking him. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:09 - Jun 1 with 2166 views | BklynRanger |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:02 - Jun 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
If you were an actual gardener it would be like a busman’s holiday wouldn’t it. |
This is why I live in a 3rd floor flat |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:11 - Jun 1 with 2141 views | KensalT |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:59 - Jun 1 by Pdog |
If MC (or people close) were indeed speaking with WBA, we'd only get the comp if WBA triggered the buyout clause in a gentlemanly approach. If he resigend (before joing them) we'd get nothing.
Yes clubs need permission to speak to him, but let’s be real if MC or his camp were talking to WBA, it’s likely been going on behind the scenes. That’s probably where Nourry paranoia kicked in...
Putting him on gardening leave was a gamble as it somewhat protects the club’s position as he cant just walk into another job without consequences, and gives us a bit of leverage to negotiate compensation. But it depends on how much WBA (or any other club) actually want him. Time being the tightrope, we can’t wait forever. And if that interest has cooled, we’re now stuck with an expensive gardener on the payroll… one we’ll likely have to pay off ourselves.
Why not just sack him? Because unless we could prove a breach of contract, we’d have to pay him off. And if we could prove a breach, we’d just be handing over our asset for free. [Post edited 1 Jun 15:15]
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Notice periods for key employees can be for several months.
Marti's notice period could realistically be six months.
The club announced on 29th April that MC was on gardening leave:
https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/2025/april/29/club-statement-marti-cifuentes/
If his notice period is six months he won't be free to join another club until 29th October.
Would a club that has a vacancy to fill now (West Brom, for example) wait until the end of October to appoint a new manager?
Of course Marti's notice period might only be three months, in which case he could take another job at the end of July and there would be no compensation.
But then everyone at QPR would look very silly! [Post edited 1 Jun 15:12]
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:21 - Jun 1 with 2081 views | Pdog |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:11 - Jun 1 by KensalT |
Notice periods for key employees can be for several months.
Marti's notice period could realistically be six months.
The club announced on 29th April that MC was on gardening leave:
https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/2025/april/29/club-statement-marti-cifuentes/
If his notice period is six months he won't be free to join another club until 29th October.
Would a club that has a vacancy to fill now (West Brom, for example) wait until the end of October to appoint a new manager?
Of course Marti's notice period might only be three months, in which case he could take another job at the end of July and there would be no compensation.
But then everyone at QPR would look very silly! [Post edited 1 Jun 15:12]
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So we're basically playing chess with a ticking clock. [Post edited 1 Jun 15:21]
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:25 - Jun 1 with 2035 views | Rsole |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:03 - Jun 1 by KensalT |
Not sure where you are getting this "6 months to go" from.
MC signed a new contract earlier in the season so I would assume his contract still has more than six months to run:
https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/2024/september/30/cifuentes-calm-new-contracts/
I agree with you that Marti would only resign if he had a better job lined up.
But he would also have a compensation clause in his contract to cover that situation.
If another club wants your manager you don't just let him go for nothing. You make the other club pay (just as you would with a player).
If Marti has resigned because he wants to join another club then the only leverage QPR have is to hold on to him as long as possible to try to force the other club to pay up.
That's why notice periods for key employees tend to be for several months.
It is all ifs, buts, and maybes. I don't know that MC has resigned. But I see no benefit at all to QPR in sacking him. |
I think the ‘new’ contract was an enhancement of the original rather than an extension.
If it was an extension then the situation would also be extended until the end of the contact.
Either way, I can’t remember any manager resigning and walking away to leave money on the table unless there’s more money on offer elsewhere. Maybe there’s a precedent for that but I suspect it’s both parties agreeing to a suitable settlement and the contact is mutually terminated, which is what they should have done and are probably discussing as we debate the situation.
I guess the compensation clause makes that more difficult to agree on a settlement and that the lawyers will be thrashing that out but when did a lawyer ever not want to drag out matters with another lawyer ?
Meanwhile, the gardening continues. | |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:28 - Jun 1 with 2009 views | KensalT |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:25 - Jun 1 by Rsole |
I think the ‘new’ contract was an enhancement of the original rather than an extension.
If it was an extension then the situation would also be extended until the end of the contact.
Either way, I can’t remember any manager resigning and walking away to leave money on the table unless there’s more money on offer elsewhere. Maybe there’s a precedent for that but I suspect it’s both parties agreeing to a suitable settlement and the contact is mutually terminated, which is what they should have done and are probably discussing as we debate the situation.
I guess the compensation clause makes that more difficult to agree on a settlement and that the lawyers will be thrashing that out but when did a lawyer ever not want to drag out matters with another lawyer ?
Meanwhile, the gardening continues. |
If he walks into another job (possibly a better paid one) he won't be leaving any money on the table.
In the meantime QPR are still paying him to do nothing! | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:33 - Jun 1 with 1968 views | KensalT |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:21 - Jun 1 by Pdog |
So we're basically playing chess with a ticking clock. [Post edited 1 Jun 15:21]
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Could be.
Worst case scenario would be that West Brom (or whoever) do want him but can't wait for his notice to expire and can't agree compensation with us, so they appoint someone else instead.
So we could theoretically get to the end of October with Marti leaving but having no job to go to and us getting no compensation.
I think they might be playing chicken rather than chess. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:41 - Jun 1 with 1877 views | francisbowles |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:16 - Jun 1 by BklynRanger |
So Nourry brought in PR consultants in November, to manage getting rid of Marti towards the end of that disastrous season's start; results then improved but the PR men/women hung around on the payroll doing fcuk knows what, and at the end of the season they were part of the brain trust that came up with putting him on gardening leave?
If all of that is the case I don't know whether to laugh or cry, probably both. |
Well the PR people have done a crap job. Sack them and sue them for compensation; say it's all been a terrible mistake, the fault of the PR company and offer Marti a bonus to come back funded by the PR company.
Everybody wins.
Well not the PR company, obviously. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:41 - Jun 1 with 1870 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 23:47 - May 31 by mart_Goblin |
Ha ha!!!
Wonderfully and stupendously hypocritical.
Tremendous stuff |
Don’t think you know what hypocritical means Matt. Try harder. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:50 - Jun 1 with 1794 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:40 - Jun 1 by lassel |
To clarify, people assumed it was via my wife because of her now former role and me not saying for obvious reasons exactly who I’m in touch with - it’s not her though and is/was a couple of people close to MC within football.
It must have been someone else who claimed that MC ‘hated the players’ possibly the same person who claimed that everyone was glad MC was gone based off twitter rumours, it didn’t come from me - at Hammarby he had (and still has) a great relationship with the players and he had a good one here too, as we saw with Chair raving about him just before he left. He often subtly called out Paal in post match interviews but I have no doubt he was telling him the same behind closed doors about what he wanted from him.
Most of what I’ve posted about has been the behind the scenes tensions and of course I only shared things that wouldn’t be an issue from his side to be out there - it’s not anything he wasn’t telling them regularly behind the scenes and nothing that a couple of others on here werent hearing from other people within the club. As North keeps saying, when the club treat everyone with contempt on the information front they create an environment where this sort of info becomes more interesting than if they just talked to us.
I would also add that I have been critical of MC as well - I 100% supported the club reading him the riot act last summer and think he owed us this season being fully focused after we took a chance on him. I though the Shepperd stuff at Burnley was poor and unfair on a young kid who by all accounts is great around the club and is just trying to live his dream, i think he’s made poor line up choices and been too slow with substitutions in game. In the whole though, with a potentially biased outlook, I saw it as Hoos and Nourry being a bigger issuer than Cifuentes in their fractious relationship.
Ultimately im a QPR fan too so I really hope they get it right with the new manager and he smashes it here. I don’t think/I would at least hope that nobody who has been critical of Nourry and Hoos wants anything but for them to smash it. |
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/members/queensparkrangers/forum/306386/4896702/mar
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 16:00 - Jun 1 with 1730 views | JamesB1979 |
I guess if he hates most of the players, he has to go. We can’t sack most of the squad! | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 16:30 - Jun 1 with 1527 views | Lblock |
It’s on the record M’lud…..
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 16:31 - Jun 1 with 1529 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 16:00 - Jun 1 by JamesB1979 |
I guess if he hates most of the players, he has to go. We can’t sack most of the squad! |
That’s the thing.
I would imagine HE wants to go and THEY want him to go, and at this point even WE want him to go but he fcking can’t because they have forged this mental unnecessary financial penalty round their necks.
Everyone comes out of this damaged.
What they should have done, is just let him talk to whoever he wants and when the time comes see him go with a shrug of the shoulders and on receipt of a decent sized fee outlined by his contact.
But it’s not really about that is it. [Post edited 1 Jun 16:37]
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread (n/t) (n/t) (n/t) (n/t) (n/t) on 16:33 - Jun 1 with 1515 views | Pindarus |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:02 - Jun 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
If you were an actual gardener it would be like a busman’s holiday wouldn’t it. |
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