| In Advanced Talks With Edwards 22:19 - Aug 26 with 44505 views | Hoops1975 |
Really ???
All over the facebook forums anway |  | | |  |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:33 - Aug 28 with 2281 views | EuroRanger |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:31 - Aug 28 by Rsole |
We love nothing more than a thread about a player not playing for us ! What else generates such optimism and hope ?!?
Eze and Kelman are gone - enter Edwards (not literally, although tempting).
Would be a major coup for us and I would hope we could get some upside in the investment too, just as long as we don’t kill him to death before he plays a game or two.
It would also defy the logic of other development signings but who cares, eh ? |
I'm not sure it would, to be fair. I don't know if it makes sense because of the expense, but he's a young player with plenty of upside, so it isn't really a change from our current strategy.
Big £6m gamble though... | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:33 - Aug 28 with 2262 views | JamesB1979 |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:23 - Aug 28 by BazzaInTheLoft |
2. Rumour is that it’s a loan initially. So if/when we do spend money on him, it’s next year ffp and next season we will be selling players.
This is far from guaranteed. I'd love to see Edwards in a QPR shirt, but this is a risky way to do it.
See Nardi and Dunne for recent examples of players touted for sale not getting over the line. [Post edited 28 Aug 10:25]
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Well it’s risky if we’re committed to pay anything. And irrespective of Edwards, I think we’ll be selling more (value wise) than we’re buying next summer. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:43 - Aug 28 with 2127 views | bosh67 |
Doesn't look likely now does it? Shame. He would have been a vital part of the puzzle. Obviously Southampton want a lot more than £6m but it is going to be difficult for them to command that if Edwards is a fringe player for them! |  |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:51 - Aug 28 with 1999 views | E1Hoop |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:30 - Aug 28 by Wegerles_Stairs |
I think signing Edwards would still align with long-term thinking though as he was so good last season that you can only see him getting better. I still can't believe this is true though.
Totally agree regarding the imbalance of the squad - this was a key failing last season too, and we don't seem to have learnt from it. |
Yes would agree, both likelihood and how he could develop.
But if we are prepared to spend £xm on Ronnie, could we use that money to make the squad stronger and better balanced? My view is probably. So as a player yes to Ronnie. As a way of making the squad strongest for results and developing the project, not so sure. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:55 - Aug 28 with 1914 views | DannyPaddox |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 06:32 - Aug 28 by dmm |
I don't want to piss on anyone's chips but this rumour has not been picked up by WLS nor any of the usual clickbait sites. It's a social media rumour. Doesn't that tell us something? |
After you’ve put your knob away dmm I hope you’ll be apologising to everyone in the chip shop 🤣🤣🤣 |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:59 - Aug 28 with 1854 views | aston_hoop |
Apart from the ITK's who said it was happening. Almost as if, the majority of the time, people are just making stuff up. |  |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:00 - Aug 28 with 1827 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:33 - Aug 28 by JamesB1979 |
Well it’s risky if we’re committed to pay anything. And irrespective of Edwards, I think we’ll be selling more (value wise) than we’re buying next summer. |
Loans come with committed spending.
At the very least it’s 50% of an England U21’s wages and possibly a loan fee and the rumours I’ve seen include an obligation to buy.
Not sure what Southampton would get out of the loan if it wasn’t money? You might say minutes in legs, but there will be other clubs with a cleaner fitness record and higher up the table who can offer the same. |  | | |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:01 - Aug 28 with 1820 views | OakR |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:51 - Aug 28 by E1Hoop |
Yes would agree, both likelihood and how he could develop.
But if we are prepared to spend £xm on Ronnie, could we use that money to make the squad stronger and better balanced? My view is probably. So as a player yes to Ronnie. As a way of making the squad strongest for results and developing the project, not so sure. |
I think it's a hard one.
When he played for us, he stood out in a way others didn't, and if you do that a lot, it probably means chances of a big transfer fee down the line, potential more profit than other players.
Also, I think his influence on the team would be signifianct, and with how we play.
But yes we can't be all eggs in one basket, but not sure we would be.
Anyway, he'll probably sign for Charlton now and play against us on Saturday. | |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:02 - Aug 28 with 1799 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:59 - Aug 28 by aston_hoop |
Apart from the ITK's who said it was happening. Almost as if, the majority of the time, people are just making stuff up. |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:07 - Aug 28 with 1697 views | Stainrod |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:48 - Aug 28 by E1Hoop |
I post rarely. But whilst there are many things that annoy me about Rangers, the lack of consistency and logic really gets to me.
If we need a box to box midfielder then we do we keep signing tricky wingers and 10s. If full backs are so important in the modern game why do we have so few options. If Hayden is an answer perhaps we should have sold Varane and used the funds to buy O’Brien. If the project is to develop players then we need a core of performing players to allow the projects to develop and be sold. Dembele trying to play whilst we have no control of the game will not develop his game or resale value.
Whilst I would love to see Edwards back it does smack of short term thinking rather than a plan. More look we can have a good player rather than how do we build the best squad we can, whether that is for results or the project.
I can cope with us being bad and beaten but only if we are doing everything we can to be the best we can be. For many years it seems like we are making it up as we go along.
Not looking for answers or saying anything new, just venting that the lack of logic and basic competence is infuriating. |
Fair points, but:
The window isn’t over, how do you know we won’t sign an “8”? We have actually got far more business done far earlier than in a typical window for us.
You say we keep signing tricky wingers yet many team predictions for Charlton still have us playing Smyth due to unavailability of various others.
Sell Varane - agree, but do you know if any of that reported interested culminated in a good, concrete offer?
Lack of options at full back - Dunne was in last season’s Championship team of the season, we have Mbengue in reserve who looked excellent there against Preston. Esquire looks an exciting prospect and we now have experienced cover after the first choice blew his ACL (was that the club’s fault too?)
Ronnie a short term signing - he is 22. Coleback, Fox, Cook etc were short term signings we now have one of the youngest squads in the league. Indeed, most of the criticism has been that we are thinking too long term and ignoring the here and now - so which is it?
I get the criticism that we are buying exciting, saleable assets that we haven’t yet crafted into a team. I would also have made a number 8 my priority. But it is slightly determined by who is available at what price at what time. Go on any message board of any Championship club and they will all be demanding why their club has not addressed some structural weakness. It’s a feature of the Championship and what makes it a lot more even than the Premier League.
I get the negativity given how under-baked the first team looks but if at the start of the window someone had said we would sign Kone, Poku, Mbengue, Hayden and Burrell among others who would have believed it? We are a flawed work in progress, but the squad as a whole is considerably stronger. Now the challenge is with the fitness team and the coaches to get a tune out of it. And funds allowing, maybe that 8 will still come. [Post edited 28 Aug 11:12]
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:08 - Aug 28 with 1695 views | JamesB1979 |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:00 - Aug 28 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Loans come with committed spending.
At the very least it’s 50% of an England U21’s wages and possibly a loan fee and the rumours I’ve seen include an obligation to buy.
Not sure what Southampton would get out of the loan if it wasn’t money? You might say minutes in legs, but there will be other clubs with a cleaner fitness record and higher up the table who can offer the same. |
Agree on the wages but I guess that shouldn’t be too big an issue. I’m not Itk at all, so all just a hunch, but I think Ronnie is pushing this because he doesn’t want to sit on the bench. And it seems that he will. I don’t think Southampton do want him out, even on a loan, as they need the “cover” but they also don’t want an unhappy player. Also, more he plays, better his value. His value will also go down on the bench. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:09 - Aug 28 with 1666 views | DavieQPR |
CB was one of the positions identified as there being a shortage of in future tears by the club. |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:17 - Aug 28 with 1541 views | Northernr |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:09 - Aug 28 by DavieQPR |
CB was one of the positions identified as there being a shortage of in future tears by the club. |
Hmmm. But our team is short of CMs. This Saturday. |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:19 - Aug 28 with 1507 views | enfieldargh |
According to another thread on here millwall getting 7m for tangana rrr too handsome for waaaaallll |  |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:21 - Aug 28 with 1449 views | Stainrod |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:17 - Aug 28 by Northernr |
Hmmm. But our team is short of CMs. This Saturday. |
Hardly the first time a QPR team has neared the end of the window and we are one player short - normally it’s a lot more than that. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:23 - Aug 28 with 1409 views | Northernr |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:21 - Aug 28 by Stainrod |
Hardly the first time a QPR team has neared the end of the window and we are one player short - normally it’s a lot more than that. |
It looked a lot more than that last Saturday. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:26 - Aug 28 with 1327 views | daveB |
I still wouldn't rule this out |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:31 - Aug 28 with 1236 views | Stainrod |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:23 - Aug 28 by Northernr |
It looked a lot more than that last Saturday. |
That was more because players were not fit/ performing / motivated sufficiently.
We have seen every single one of those players (bar perhaps Walsh) play to a much higher level.
You have long argued that one of our mistakes is to constantly think Nirvana lies with yet another signing.
Are you now saying we bin off Morrison or Varane (just picked at random) because they are playing poorly, and buy better players?
We can’t buy a new squad because they have had a terrible start. If anything, the opposite. We need to build fitness levels, understand why the motivation appears lacking, work on that, and somehow craft these players into a team.
But with a new coach, half a new team, a few signings who haven’t had a pre-season, and the usual ridiculous number of injuries that isn’t (realistically) all going to happen immediately. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:31 - Aug 28 with 1221 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:21 - Aug 28 by Stainrod |
Hardly the first time a QPR team has neared the end of the window and we are one player short - normally it’s a lot more than that. |
We need two or three CM.
At the moment we are like a Christmas tree with lots of shiny baubles and glittery stars hangingfrom it, but it has a rotten trunk that means it all comes crashing down the moment it comes under any pressure.
Fix the CM finish top half, don't and its 16th again.
I'd prefer not to sign Ronnie and fix the midfield. | |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:31 - Aug 28 with 1219 views | bosh67 |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:23 - Aug 28 by Northernr |
It looked a lot more than that last Saturday. |
Having thought about last weekend I'm not sure the players are following or understanding what they are being asked to do. I suspect that may be clarified by this weekend's result. Win and perhaps it was just a terrible day. Lose (and get clobbered) then you have to ask yourself if it is down to the players? And would Edwards, under those circumstances, make any difference? | |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:36 - Aug 28 with 1136 views | dmm |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:55 - Aug 28 by DannyPaddox |
After you’ve put your knob away dmm I hope you’ll be apologising to everyone in the chip shop 🤣🤣🤣 |
Ketchup anyone? |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:36 - Aug 28 with 1129 views | QPunkR |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:31 - Aug 28 by bosh67 |
Having thought about last weekend I'm not sure the players are following or understanding what they are being asked to do. I suspect that may be clarified by this weekend's result. Win and perhaps it was just a terrible day. Lose (and get clobbered) then you have to ask yourself if it is down to the players? And would Edwards, under those circumstances, make any difference? |
We'd look better |  |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:36 - Aug 28 with 1131 views | E1Hoop |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:07 - Aug 28 by Stainrod |
Fair points, but:
The window isn’t over, how do you know we won’t sign an “8”? We have actually got far more business done far earlier than in a typical window for us.
You say we keep signing tricky wingers yet many team predictions for Charlton still have us playing Smyth due to unavailability of various others.
Sell Varane - agree, but do you know if any of that reported interested culminated in a good, concrete offer?
Lack of options at full back - Dunne was in last season’s Championship team of the season, we have Mbengue in reserve who looked excellent there against Preston. Esquire looks an exciting prospect and we now have experienced cover after the first choice blew his ACL (was that the club’s fault too?)
Ronnie a short term signing - he is 22. Coleback, Fox, Cook etc were short term signings we now have one of the youngest squads in the league. Indeed, most of the criticism has been that we are thinking too long term and ignoring the here and now - so which is it?
I get the criticism that we are buying exciting, saleable assets that we haven’t yet crafted into a team. I would also have made a number 8 my priority. But it is slightly determined by who is available at what price at what time. Go on any message board of any Championship club and they will all be demanding why their club has not addressed some structural weakness. It’s a feature of the Championship and what makes it a lot more even than the Premier League.
I get the negativity given how under-baked the first team looks but if at the start of the window someone had said we would sign Kone, Poku, Mbengue, Hayden and Burrell among others who would have believed it? We are a flawed work in progress, but the squad as a whole is considerably stronger. Now the challenge is with the fitness team and the coaches to get a tune out of it. And funds allowing, maybe that 8 will still come. [Post edited 28 Aug 11:12]
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You are correct I don’t know and my comments are not anti the current management as this has been an issue for ages.
But if I assume that resources are finite. If we have just bought Saito and bid £xm for Ronnie then that must limit the funds for other areas that we are weak.
Our squad building cannot be based on short term availability. If we have a balanced squad that is hit by injuries then we need to suck up under performance for some time rather than buy to cover it. If there were no offers for Varane then dont buy Hayden and use the funds for an 8.
I think for me it is a balance of a squad that will deliver something like 13th in the league and have a few development players.
As you say we could have that but it just annoys me that four games in we are scrabbling around trying make this work.
A balanced squad in my made up world would have beaten Preston, drawn with Watford and lost narrowly to Coventry. We then go into the Charlton game with confidence and a win putting us on the cusp of the play offs. I don’t think play offs are realistic but wouldn’t it be good to have a season start with positivity. Most sides don’t lose 7-1. We just seem to make it so hard for ourselves. And to me some of it could be improved with more reasoned decisions. | | | |
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