| In Advanced Talks With Edwards 22:19 - Aug 26 with 44569 views | Hoops1975 |
Really ???
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:26 - Aug 28 with 2874 views | cyprusmel |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 12:13 - Aug 28 by ozexile |
One simple solution which our whole coaching team and heads of methodology seem to have overlooked is to move the damn ball quicker. One of the reasons we can't progress the ball forward is that our midfield are constantly facing our goal. If we moved the ball quicker they'd have time to turn and face forward. Plus here's some Neanderthal thinking....... go long and turn the other team round so we're running towards their goal for a change. And maybe just maybe if we go long it will create more space in midfield. |
One simple solution our whole coaching team and heads of methodology seem to have overlooked is to move the damn ball quicker, absolutely correct.
The second simple solution is to teach them the idea of actually passing to each, at least 3 of the goals against Coventry were failures to complete a pass.
How many time do we see a player pass down the line only for the ball to go out for an opposition throw in.
Coventry seem to find a man every time the ball left a boot, watching us trying to do the same was like watching a junior park game.
If we can't do the simple stuff like passing the ball to each other we have no chance. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:29 - Aug 28 with 2816 views | Toast_R |
Depends on the deal for Edwards doesn't it?
I reckon its merely either bullshit via X rumour, or a false flag by the club, a kind of, look at the intent we're showing with this proposal, whilst knowing, there's no real desire to make it happen on both sides, but it looks good (A bit like when Arsenal went after Suarez).
But if it does happen, you'd like to think we can double our money in a couple of.seasons or so, unless he gets QPR'd and ends up a shadow of the player we saw last season. |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:30 - Aug 28 with 2771 views | Lblock |
Might have a spread bet on this thread pushing the Charlie Kelman one for page numbers. |  |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:38 - Aug 28 with 2661 views | wombat |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:29 - Aug 28 by Toast_R |
Depends on the deal for Edwards doesn't it?
I reckon its merely either bullshit via X rumour, or a false flag by the club, a kind of, look at the intent we're showing with this proposal, whilst knowing, there's no real desire to make it happen on both sides, but it looks good (A bit like when Arsenal went after Suarez).
But if it does happen, you'd like to think we can double our money in a couple of.seasons or so, unless he gets QPR'd and ends up a shadow of the player we saw last season. |
not gonna lie with the good pr we have generated this week with Hadyn and saito coming in , i had a feeling we might go balls deep and stick a bid in for edwards it will obv be a. low bid that they would never accept but its part of the gets the fans back on onside|PR campaign thats been in full effect since the cov game , Not our fault we did bid for him now back to your cages lads its charlton at home sat . not our fault saito hadyn arent fit but least we have bought them so keep ur opinions to yourself. You want chair and poku fit as well you greedy bastards arent you ever happy. if it goes pete tong sat wonder what next weeks PR campaign will consist of ? kittens and puppies for everyone ? |  |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:45 - Aug 28 with 2555 views | amhoop |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:59 - Aug 28 by OakR |
I don't get this CN picking the team stuff - surely that's not the case? Would Marti or Stephan accept this? I just can't see it myself (and I know the majority on here think those that can't see it are blinded by what's in front of them or other conspiracies).
The only thing I can see CN saying not to play Nardi - I don't agree with that approach if true, it doesn't appear to be working out but we've let players go for free for too long when running down contracts and I guess this is the position CN has taken. I think we tried this pre CN with a couple of players which also didn't work. Anyway this one I can see.
So I think he might say you can't play x for business reasons, but I don't personally believe he is sitting down with Stephan and saying play x and y, and this is the formation etc.
We clearly want to play and try out younger / dev squad players as part of our strategy / project whatever we want to call it - wasn't this a falling out point pre-CN with Warburton where he didn't believe we had the players in Dev etc to play?
So I do think there will be an element of you will have to fill gaps, play some of the younger, less experienced players. That's not selecting the team, but it is dictating the squad makeup of course, but I suspect Stephan bought into this, and I think he said he likes to develop players etc.
I do think we should have a DOF, to CN can focus on the analytics side, and the DOF can focus on style of play, type of player working together and I do think this is a mistake not having one to work alongside CN.
I guess we will find out in a few years when someone writes a book or some player interview, I just can't believe an experienced manager like Stephan would let someone like CN choose the team or certain players. Maybe I am very naive, maybe Stephan is very weak but I guess the next few weeks will tell us.
It's a strabnge time to support QPR, the support seems so divided over this, I almost feel nervous posting things like this fo rthe reaction it might get, which I've never worried about before on here. |
See where you’re coming from but do you think Stephan thought - in his second game in charge - let’s play the development squad. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:49 - Aug 28 with 2487 views | Northernr |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:45 - Aug 28 by amhoop |
See where you’re coming from but do you think Stephan thought - in his second game in charge - let’s play the development squad. |
He may well have done, lots of managers do. I think it's just how young that team was. And sticking 16 year olds on, that's really raised this question. That was performative for "the project" and it lost us the game. I think if you'd been brining people like Tuck and whatever on from the development squad you could say that might be the manager, but 16 year old lads with Paul Furlong down on the bench directing traffic? Hmmmm.
That and the goalkeeper situation is what's raising the questions.
Very interesting to see the team this weekend given his post Coventry comments about "it will be a totally different game next week". |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:49 - Aug 28 with 2482 views | Hunterhoop |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:04 - Aug 28 by KensalT |
Really good point you made on Hoops and Dreams about the model of training players to play out from the back and then selling them to the Premier League isn't going to work anymore because the PL has moved on and become a lot more physical with only Man City still trying to play out from the back.
So playing out from the back doesn't work for us and even if we did manage to get good at it there would be no market to sell the players in.
Why are we still struggling on with it!? |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:00 - Aug 28 with 2287 views | 1JD |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:49 - Aug 28 by Northernr |
He may well have done, lots of managers do. I think it's just how young that team was. And sticking 16 year olds on, that's really raised this question. That was performative for "the project" and it lost us the game. I think if you'd been brining people like Tuck and whatever on from the development squad you could say that might be the manager, but 16 year old lads with Paul Furlong down on the bench directing traffic? Hmmmm.
That and the goalkeeper situation is what's raising the questions.
Very interesting to see the team this weekend given his post Coventry comments about "it will be a totally different game next week". |
Thought the same about that comment, which really stuck out to me in that interview. Almost as if he’s like, I’m going to do it my way next game. | | | |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:01 - Aug 28 with 2272 views | Hunterhoop |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:49 - Aug 28 by Northernr |
He may well have done, lots of managers do. I think it's just how young that team was. And sticking 16 year olds on, that's really raised this question. That was performative for "the project" and it lost us the game. I think if you'd been brining people like Tuck and whatever on from the development squad you could say that might be the manager, but 16 year old lads with Paul Furlong down on the bench directing traffic? Hmmmm.
That and the goalkeeper situation is what's raising the questions.
Very interesting to see the team this weekend given his post Coventry comments about "it will be a totally different game next week". |
I expect quite a different approach on Sat.
Doubt either of Hayden or Saito will be fit to be involved. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:03 - Aug 28 with 2237 views | RsinWales |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:16 - Aug 28 by EuroRanger |
I actually think we can continue to build from the back, BUT that we need to complement it with being able to be direct. I think being able to go direct will cause teams to back off of us enough for us to begin to play out from the back. This is why Man City signed Haaland (other than him being an incredible all-round player) but that he would theoretically allow them to versatility to play in different ways and become more difficult to defend.
A little tactical versatility wouldn't actually harm the 'game model', necessarily, but perhaps allow it to breathe. |
We are of the same mind and maybe should have been a bit clearer.
I don't want to avoid playing it out from the back at any cost. It's a useful option at times and against certain opponents.
What bewilders me is that the story of the last 50 games is the cost of primarily playing it out from the back is losing! Not only do we do it in a slow and apprehensive way, it doesn't work as a lead strategy. Now we have trumpeted our 'game model' to the world and its uncle, everyone expects it and knows how to counter it.
We are too late jumping on a bandwagon that others are now jumping off. [Post edited 28 Aug 15:07]
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:04 - Aug 28 with 2227 views | NorthantsHoop |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:26 - Aug 28 by cyprusmel |
One simple solution our whole coaching team and heads of methodology seem to have overlooked is to move the damn ball quicker, absolutely correct.
The second simple solution is to teach them the idea of actually passing to each, at least 3 of the goals against Coventry were failures to complete a pass.
How many time do we see a player pass down the line only for the ball to go out for an opposition throw in.
Coventry seem to find a man every time the ball left a boot, watching us trying to do the same was like watching a junior park game.
If we can't do the simple stuff like passing the ball to each other we have no chance. |
Absolutely, simple facts are transitioning from defence to the forward line as quickly as possible, routing through central midfield. We look slow ponderous and sloppy, our opposition in most games seem to control the central midfield and play it out fast and accurately, we ponder with the left to right at the back and allow teams to easily get numbers behind the ball and draw mistakes from us. Many times I watch it at every home game the gaps in our central midfield which are exposed by teams able to pass through it basically. Is Edwards the answer I don't know, we basically have been lacking in our midfield a player of the calibre of say a Bannen, Howson or Grimes who can swiftly move the ball from the defence to attack and at the same time fill that central midfield void. |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:10 - Aug 28 with 2112 views | TheChef |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:49 - Aug 28 by Northernr |
He may well have done, lots of managers do. I think it's just how young that team was. And sticking 16 year olds on, that's really raised this question. That was performative for "the project" and it lost us the game. I think if you'd been brining people like Tuck and whatever on from the development squad you could say that might be the manager, but 16 year old lads with Paul Furlong down on the bench directing traffic? Hmmmm.
That and the goalkeeper situation is what's raising the questions.
Very interesting to see the team this weekend given his post Coventry comments about "it will be a totally different game next week". |
To be fair they did get to 2-0 up at half time. I suppose the killer was conceding a goal so quickly after half time, but then the senior players are quite capable of doing that too. |  |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:11 - Aug 28 with 2100 views | daveB |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:04 - Aug 28 by KensalT |
Really good point you made on Hoops and Dreams about the model of training players to play out from the back and then selling them to the Premier League isn't going to work anymore because the PL has moved on and become a lot more physical with only Man City still trying to play out from the back.
So playing out from the back doesn't work for us and even if we did manage to get good at it there would be no market to sell the players in.
Why are we still struggling on with it!? |
I do think sometimes who are we looking to sell these players to becasue those at the top of the tree are not shopping at QPR unless you have someone incredible.
Even with Eze he went to a side in the bottom 6 of the prem who have got better since then. It's taken him 5 years to get to a top 4 club. If the aim is to develop and sell then what sort of players do those bottom 8 Prem clubs want
Perhaps we are seeing signs of them getting that more now, we've gone from signing little wingers on mass who premier league teams have hundreds of in academies to talking about defenders like Morrison, Edwards who I do think have more sell on value because those Premier league clubs don't have great defenders at the moment. Brighton do that really well stacked with goalkeepers who they are making good money on with loans and selling them
Aside from all that I just want to see us have a plan to win the next football match put in front of us, a lot of what the club talk about for the last 10 years has always been 2/3 years away from being achieved and no matter how many years have gone by we are still that 2/3 years away from seeing results. A cynical person might say thats a smart move to ensure you are never judged and keep your well paid job which you could certainly aim at Les, Ramsey etc and maybe we'll say the same about Nourry in a few years [Post edited 28 Aug 15:22]
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:12 - Aug 28 with 2077 views | Northernr |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:10 - Aug 28 by TheChef |
To be fair they did get to 2-0 up at half time. I suppose the killer was conceding a goal so quickly after half time, but then the senior players are quite capable of doing that too. |
No the killer was nudging it from a scratchy team to a creche with the substitutions we made at half time and beyond. Even Burrell up front was just about enough against a Plymouth side that lost their first 4 games either side of that conceding 9 goals in the process. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:18 - Aug 28 with 1983 views | TheChef |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:12 - Aug 28 by Northernr |
No the killer was nudging it from a scratchy team to a creche with the substitutions we made at half time and beyond. Even Burrell up front was just about enough against a Plymouth side that lost their first 4 games either side of that conceding 9 goals in the process. |
Yes fair point taking off Burrell didn't help (bringing us back to the fitness issues...) | |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:19 - Aug 28 with 1977 views | daveB |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:59 - Aug 28 by OakR |
I don't get this CN picking the team stuff - surely that's not the case? Would Marti or Stephan accept this? I just can't see it myself (and I know the majority on here think those that can't see it are blinded by what's in front of them or other conspiracies).
The only thing I can see CN saying not to play Nardi - I don't agree with that approach if true, it doesn't appear to be working out but we've let players go for free for too long when running down contracts and I guess this is the position CN has taken. I think we tried this pre CN with a couple of players which also didn't work. Anyway this one I can see.
So I think he might say you can't play x for business reasons, but I don't personally believe he is sitting down with Stephan and saying play x and y, and this is the formation etc.
We clearly want to play and try out younger / dev squad players as part of our strategy / project whatever we want to call it - wasn't this a falling out point pre-CN with Warburton where he didn't believe we had the players in Dev etc to play?
So I do think there will be an element of you will have to fill gaps, play some of the younger, less experienced players. That's not selecting the team, but it is dictating the squad makeup of course, but I suspect Stephan bought into this, and I think he said he likes to develop players etc.
I do think we should have a DOF, to CN can focus on the analytics side, and the DOF can focus on style of play, type of player working together and I do think this is a mistake not having one to work alongside CN.
I guess we will find out in a few years when someone writes a book or some player interview, I just can't believe an experienced manager like Stephan would let someone like CN choose the team or certain players. Maybe I am very naive, maybe Stephan is very weak but I guess the next few weeks will tell us.
It's a strabnge time to support QPR, the support seems so divided over this, I almost feel nervous posting things like this fo rthe reaction it might get, which I've never worried about before on here. |
I'd agree I doubt he his handing Julien the team sheet every week but the choice of which keeper to play does seem to have been made from above, same semeed to be happening with Larkeshe before he got injured and that team we picked for the league cup I mean thats clearly come from the top to get as many kids in as possible to highlight pathways, show off records etc. the result was a long way down the list on what we wanted that night.
Thats not anything new, Les did that in the first few years as well, not to that extreme as we saw in the cup but several young players were chucked in when they were clearly not good enough.
You add in the game model and Nourry has been pretty clear thats how he wants the team to play it does feel like a lot of influence from the top.
Of course the idea is you get a manager who wants to play that way rather than have Ainsworth and ask him to play triangles in his own penalty area and they do seem to have done that.
I'll be fascinated to see how this all pans out this season though as again how we want to play and the players we have in the squad seem too far apart to me, will we go back to the pragmatic way Marti had us playing when we won games or are we gonna stick with this and hope it works.
One things for sure if we do end up having a good season Nourry will deserve a lot of credit for it and he'll equally deserve a lot of the blame if this doesn't get any better | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:34 - Aug 28 with 1746 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
In for a Swedish CB apparently. | |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:45 - Aug 28 with 1577 views | Hunterhoop |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:00 - Aug 28 by 1JD |
Thought the same about that comment, which really stuck out to me in that interview. Almost as if he’s like, I’m going to do it my way next game. |
I think he will. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:48 - Aug 28 with 1514 views | Hunterhoop |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:19 - Aug 28 by daveB |
I'd agree I doubt he his handing Julien the team sheet every week but the choice of which keeper to play does seem to have been made from above, same semeed to be happening with Larkeshe before he got injured and that team we picked for the league cup I mean thats clearly come from the top to get as many kids in as possible to highlight pathways, show off records etc. the result was a long way down the list on what we wanted that night.
Thats not anything new, Les did that in the first few years as well, not to that extreme as we saw in the cup but several young players were chucked in when they were clearly not good enough.
You add in the game model and Nourry has been pretty clear thats how he wants the team to play it does feel like a lot of influence from the top.
Of course the idea is you get a manager who wants to play that way rather than have Ainsworth and ask him to play triangles in his own penalty area and they do seem to have done that.
I'll be fascinated to see how this all pans out this season though as again how we want to play and the players we have in the squad seem too far apart to me, will we go back to the pragmatic way Marti had us playing when we won games or are we gonna stick with this and hope it works.
One things for sure if we do end up having a good season Nourry will deserve a lot of credit for it and he'll equally deserve a lot of the blame if this doesn't get any better |
Indeed. Very balanced, Dave.
The key point though was that Les had spent his life in football, had been a first team coach, had done his badges, and had obviously been a top top player. His view on players and systems should rightly have carried weight as DOF.
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:54 - Aug 28 with 1368 views | stainrods_elbow |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:38 - Aug 28 by wombat |
not gonna lie with the good pr we have generated this week with Hadyn and saito coming in , i had a feeling we might go balls deep and stick a bid in for edwards it will obv be a. low bid that they would never accept but its part of the gets the fans back on onside|PR campaign thats been in full effect since the cov game , Not our fault we did bid for him now back to your cages lads its charlton at home sat . not our fault saito hadyn arent fit but least we have bought them so keep ur opinions to yourself. You want chair and poku fit as well you greedy bastards arent you ever happy. if it goes pete tong sat wonder what next weeks PR campaign will consist of ? kittens and puppies for everyone ? |
Christ, you're a bundle of sunshine, aren't you?
We have one of the best extended windows lin living memory - two top League 1 strikers, Saito back, Hayden back, an experienced LB in, and rumours Edwards might be arriving, and you and one or two others still want to bash the club or push cynicism at all costs.
I realise I may not always be the most sunlit of posters, but really you're clearly determined to be miserable whatever we do. [Post edited 28 Aug 15:56]
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:57 - Aug 28 with 1352 views | richranger |
The situation now reminds me of when we got spanked 5-0 at home by Swansea - and a couple of days later we panic bought Julio Caesar and Bosingwa on mega wages, without any improvement.
IMO our big problem is that Nourry wants the whole club, in all age groups to play a certain way. The trouble is all our opponents know that too!
Results only improved last season when Cifuentes went against that model - which seems to be when he fell out with Nourry and led to him going.
I just hope that Stephan is allowed to end this madness and Cifuentes did - but after the team selection for Plymouth, which was obviously imposed on him by Nourry, I doubt that will happen. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:59 - Aug 28 with 1292 views | Hunterhoop |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:57 - Aug 28 by richranger |
The situation now reminds me of when we got spanked 5-0 at home by Swansea - and a couple of days later we panic bought Julio Caesar and Bosingwa on mega wages, without any improvement.
IMO our big problem is that Nourry wants the whole club, in all age groups to play a certain way. The trouble is all our opponents know that too!
Results only improved last season when Cifuentes went against that model - which seems to be when he fell out with Nourry and led to him going.
I just hope that Stephan is allowed to end this madness and Cifuentes did - but after the team selection for Plymouth, which was obviously imposed on him by Nourry, I doubt that will happen. |
Let’s see on Saturday… | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 16:00 - Aug 28 with 1286 views | kensalriser |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 16:05 - Aug 28 with 1163 views | daveB |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 15:48 - Aug 28 by Hunterhoop |
Indeed. Very balanced, Dave.
The key point though was that Les had spent his life in football, had been a first team coach, had done his badges, and had obviously been a top top player. His view on players and systems should rightly have carried weight as DOF.
Nourry was a recruitment consultant. |
yeah I don't think their past experience is comparable but Les did do similar daft things early on and probably didn't get called out on it as much as lets face it we love him for his time as a player and due to the career he'd had he had earned a bit more trust than someone new(ish) to the sport. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 16:06 - Aug 28 with 1146 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 16:00 - Aug 28 by kensalriser |
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