| In Advanced Talks With Edwards 22:19 - Aug 26 with 44568 views | Hoops1975 |
Really ???
All over the facebook forums anway |  | | |  |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 12:54 - Aug 28 with 2616 views | RsinWales |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:44 - Aug 28 by Northernr |
No, it's the club that seem to think nirvana lies with another signing. We've made three already this week, and now chasing another. It's certainly not me signing one tiny ten after another when we don't have a midfield, or one centre back after another when we don't have a full back.
I think you don't win many games by losing midfield. And it's been bloody obvious for literally years that's a key problem with the team. Until we signed Isaac Hayden on Monday, which we could have done at any point over the past 12 months and certainly at any point this summer, we've done nothing about that. That will help us stop teams walking right through the middle of us, but it won't progress the ball out of midfield.
But there's so much else wrong than that. Our physical conditioning, fitness and injury situation is a joke. They're trying to blind you with new signing and availability stats, but it's there for all to see. And while that's the case you can sign who you like basically, you're just pissing into a furnace.
This international break has to be spent redoing the pre-season we clearly haven't done.
This 'slow burn' nonsense needs knocking on the head, or the people leading it do.
We've started the last two seasons 2/17 and as it stands will do that again. People were trying to tell me Cifuentes was at fault for that last year - looks good at this point doesn't it?
That's without getting into a general discussion about the standards at QPR. What's acceptable and what's not. Why we lose 7-1, 6-0 and 5-0 as often as we do. Why we crash out of cups to lower league teams as often as we do. That's a standards issue. There's no accountability for that. Nobody standing there at 3-0 and saying 'right, no fcking more now'.
There's a lot more wrong than a new midfielder. But a new midfielder would be fcking useful atm.
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After 45 minutes against Preston, I foolishly allowed my hope to burn brightly.
We looked energetic, were getting the ball forward quickly, Madsen looked like the player he was at the end of last season. Poku looked really good and "We've finally cracked it" was the thought that entered my mind.
That 45 minutes seems a long time ago now. As Norf mentioned, so many of the same, seemingly obvious problems are hobbling us once again.
We have some very decent players in a fully fit team (a nice notion) but our game model has failed us consistently since the beginning of last season. I am pretty sure we would see something better if we let it go.
To my mind, if there ever was a time to embrace building slowly from the back, it certainly isn't now. Teams have had a few seasons now to work out how to counteract it, whilst we are apparently still (painfully) learning how to do it.
We are not going to surprise any decent teams playing that way; it is nerve-shredding for the players and supporters; and we don't have the right personnel.
I sometimes feel like we build our philosophy from the Arsenal playbook. Wenger and Arteta both seemed determined to ignore the obvious flaws in midfield/strikers (respectively), despite everyone watching Arsenal saying the same thing. The only reason we are not in L1 is because we abandoned it for a substantial period last season. This is not rocket science. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 12:57 - Aug 28 with 2579 views | daveB |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 12:06 - Aug 28 by charmr |
It crossed my mind while on the official website how propergandist it seems to have become.
Everything’s awesome. |
Kevin Gallen was getting stick yesterday not not being positive enough on the WLS podcast following a 7-1 defeat
James who I do the Hoops & Dreams preview show with (New episode on youtube now) got some right stick yesterday for posting a stat that Dembele has never been on the winning side when starting a game at Loftus Road as if how dare you state a fact when Dembele is obviously brilliant
The difference between how great everything is that I read online and the reality of watching them on a matchday is quite big |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 12:59 - Aug 28 with 2538 views | CroydonCaptJack |
Some great posts here but I think it is fair to say that MC deserves at least some of the blame for last seasons poor start doesn't he?
I mean I loved the bloke but that was an awful start and until he turned more pragmatic it was almost as bad as the previous season where he cam in and rescued us. Typical QPR of course. |  |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 12:59 - Aug 28 with 2537 views | daveB |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 12:40 - Aug 28 by calHoop |
All fantastic points. But, we should also talk about our desire to please fans, and the huge PR exercise, around some of our signings. So we must "bring Saito", "bring Edwards" without really looking at the balance of the squad.
Why does this keep happening, because we have not got a football person in any senior position at the club. Recruitment and structure built on sand. Brighton and Brentford, seen as the forerunners for these models, still had football people there.
I do think we needed Hayden though, he's a grown up, he should set some standards on the pitch, because some of the stuff we've seen recently from some of our attacking midfielders after losing the ball constantly, has been nothing short of disgraceful. |
Since we beat Derby in Feb we've played 17 games and conceded 2 or more goals in 10 of those games thats ignoring pre season where we let in 6 in one game and 2 in a few others.
To stand any chance we need to stop doing that and Hayden gives us a better chance of achievening that.
he won't fix the problems of playing out through midfield but there isa lot to be said for staying in games and giving ourselves a chance of winning | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:05 - Aug 28 with 2437 views | charmr |
Know your place…. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:06 - Aug 28 with 2410 views | Northernr |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 12:57 - Aug 28 by daveB |
Kevin Gallen was getting stick yesterday not not being positive enough on the WLS podcast following a 7-1 defeat
James who I do the Hoops & Dreams preview show with (New episode on youtube now) got some right stick yesterday for posting a stat that Dembele has never been on the winning side when starting a game at Loftus Road as if how dare you state a fact when Dembele is obviously brilliant
The difference between how great everything is that I read online and the reality of watching them on a matchday is quite big |
It's mad at the moment. |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:22 - Aug 28 with 2177 views | wombat |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 12:59 - Aug 28 by CroydonCaptJack |
Some great posts here but I think it is fair to say that MC deserves at least some of the blame for last seasons poor start doesn't he?
I mean I loved the bloke but that was an awful start and until he turned more pragmatic it was almost as bad as the previous season where he cam in and rescued us. Typical QPR of course. |
depends on how much of he was told who to play in them early games as well , same as now is the coach picking the players who starts ? |  |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:24 - Aug 28 with 2135 views | charmr |
It’s that mad especially here when someone could be standing in the rain and getting drenched and believe someone who tells them it’s not raining but gloriously sunny. | | | |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:28 - Aug 28 with 2048 views | rbee |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 12:59 - Aug 28 by daveB |
Since we beat Derby in Feb we've played 17 games and conceded 2 or more goals in 10 of those games thats ignoring pre season where we let in 6 in one game and 2 in a few others.
To stand any chance we need to stop doing that and Hayden gives us a better chance of achievening that.
he won't fix the problems of playing out through midfield but there isa lot to be said for staying in games and giving ourselves a chance of winning |
In an ideal world we need cover for Hayden bearing in mind our injury record and that other more creative central midfielder. |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:36 - Aug 28 with 1932 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 12:53 - Aug 28 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
You can sign two or three CM as that list you gave is, well being really honest, not good enough. And this has been the same for the past 3 or 4 years.
£6m on Ronnie Edwards, who isn't really needed, or two x £3m CM signings?
I know which signings would transform this team.
I like what CN has done overall, but not signing CM despite the problems last year is shockingly stupid. |
My feelings too. Edwards would be a great signing if we were adding him to a top 6 side with a reasonable chance of promotion in a year or two. But we're not, by quite a long way. |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:41 - Aug 28 with 1829 views | Andybrat |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:36 - Aug 28 by Sonic_Hoop |
My feelings too. Edwards would be a great signing if we were adding him to a top 6 side with a reasonable chance of promotion in a year or two. But we're not, by quite a long way. |
Said it before, reckon the box to box midfielder is an uninjured Illias Chair, Stephan has already said he wants him to play in the middle. Hence the Saito acquisition. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:43 - Aug 28 with 1769 views | cpgerber |
apparently we have made an offer, but its been rejected. |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:57 - Aug 28 with 1540 views | DannytheR |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:41 - Aug 28 by Andybrat |
Said it before, reckon the box to box midfielder is an uninjured Illias Chair, Stephan has already said he wants him to play in the middle. Hence the Saito acquisition. |
You'd hope not. I love Ilias to bits but he's literally a foot too short to be an effective box to box midfielder in the current game.
And, this being QPR, he is injured anyway. |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:59 - Aug 28 with 1511 views | OakR |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:22 - Aug 28 by wombat |
depends on how much of he was told who to play in them early games as well , same as now is the coach picking the players who starts ? |
I don't get this CN picking the team stuff - surely that's not the case? Would Marti or Stephan accept this? I just can't see it myself (and I know the majority on here think those that can't see it are blinded by what's in front of them or other conspiracies).
The only thing I can see CN saying not to play Nardi - I don't agree with that approach if true, it doesn't appear to be working out but we've let players go for free for too long when running down contracts and I guess this is the position CN has taken. I think we tried this pre CN with a couple of players which also didn't work. Anyway this one I can see.
So I think he might say you can't play x for business reasons, but I don't personally believe he is sitting down with Stephan and saying play x and y, and this is the formation etc.
We clearly want to play and try out younger / dev squad players as part of our strategy / project whatever we want to call it - wasn't this a falling out point pre-CN with Warburton where he didn't believe we had the players in Dev etc to play?
So I do think there will be an element of you will have to fill gaps, play some of the younger, less experienced players. That's not selecting the team, but it is dictating the squad makeup of course, but I suspect Stephan bought into this, and I think he said he likes to develop players etc.
I do think we should have a DOF, to CN can focus on the analytics side, and the DOF can focus on style of play, type of player working together and I do think this is a mistake not having one to work alongside CN.
I guess we will find out in a few years when someone writes a book or some player interview, I just can't believe an experienced manager like Stephan would let someone like CN choose the team or certain players. Maybe I am very naive, maybe Stephan is very weak but I guess the next few weeks will tell us.
It's a strabnge time to support QPR, the support seems so divided over this, I almost feel nervous posting things like this fo rthe reaction it might get, which I've never worried about before on here. | |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:04 - Aug 28 with 1390 views | californiahoop |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:57 - Aug 28 by DannytheR |
You'd hope not. I love Ilias to bits but he's literally a foot too short to be an effective box to box midfielder in the current game.
And, this being QPR, he is injured anyway. |
His size isn’t the issue, it’s his decision making and speed of thought on the ball | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:04 - Aug 28 with 1382 views | KensalT |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 12:57 - Aug 28 by daveB |
Kevin Gallen was getting stick yesterday not not being positive enough on the WLS podcast following a 7-1 defeat
James who I do the Hoops & Dreams preview show with (New episode on youtube now) got some right stick yesterday for posting a stat that Dembele has never been on the winning side when starting a game at Loftus Road as if how dare you state a fact when Dembele is obviously brilliant
The difference between how great everything is that I read online and the reality of watching them on a matchday is quite big |
Really good point you made on Hoops and Dreams about the model of training players to play out from the back and then selling them to the Premier League isn't going to work anymore because the PL has moved on and become a lot more physical with only Man City still trying to play out from the back.
So playing out from the back doesn't work for us and even if we did manage to get good at it there would be no market to sell the players in.
Why are we still struggling on with it!? | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:04 - Aug 28 with 1380 views | Northernr |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:59 - Aug 28 by OakR |
I don't get this CN picking the team stuff - surely that's not the case? Would Marti or Stephan accept this? I just can't see it myself (and I know the majority on here think those that can't see it are blinded by what's in front of them or other conspiracies).
The only thing I can see CN saying not to play Nardi - I don't agree with that approach if true, it doesn't appear to be working out but we've let players go for free for too long when running down contracts and I guess this is the position CN has taken. I think we tried this pre CN with a couple of players which also didn't work. Anyway this one I can see.
So I think he might say you can't play x for business reasons, but I don't personally believe he is sitting down with Stephan and saying play x and y, and this is the formation etc.
We clearly want to play and try out younger / dev squad players as part of our strategy / project whatever we want to call it - wasn't this a falling out point pre-CN with Warburton where he didn't believe we had the players in Dev etc to play?
So I do think there will be an element of you will have to fill gaps, play some of the younger, less experienced players. That's not selecting the team, but it is dictating the squad makeup of course, but I suspect Stephan bought into this, and I think he said he likes to develop players etc.
I do think we should have a DOF, to CN can focus on the analytics side, and the DOF can focus on style of play, type of player working together and I do think this is a mistake not having one to work alongside CN.
I guess we will find out in a few years when someone writes a book or some player interview, I just can't believe an experienced manager like Stephan would let someone like CN choose the team or certain players. Maybe I am very naive, maybe Stephan is very weak but I guess the next few weeks will tell us.
It's a strabnge time to support QPR, the support seems so divided over this, I almost feel nervous posting things like this fo rthe reaction it might get, which I've never worried about before on here. |
Mate please do not feel nervous on here. That's exactly how I feel on Twitter now.
I want people to feel free to express views on here and if that isn't the case then I need to change it. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:09 - Aug 28 with 1272 views | Match82 |
I'm 6 hours behind you lot so when I woke up this morning and saw this page had jumped from 4 pages to 9 I thought "wow, we must have signed him"
I think we're all a bit desperate for something (anything?) to happen! |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:12 - Aug 28 with 1200 views | francisbowles |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 13:43 - Aug 28 by cpgerber |
apparently we have made an offer, but its been rejected. |
Nigel Spackman signing instead.🙄😁 | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:13 - Aug 28 with 1183 views | OakR |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:04 - Aug 28 by Northernr |
Mate please do not feel nervous on here. That's exactly how I feel on Twitter now.
I want people to feel free to express views on here and if that isn't the case then I need to change it. |
Thanks Clive, I said it on your other post, but I am sorry that's happening to you on Twitter and social media, and sorry for my post above, here is good, no need to change anything. It's one of the few places for good discussions. I don't want to add to your problems.
Hope you are feeling better. | |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:13 - Aug 28 with 1182 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:04 - Aug 28 by Northernr |
Mate please do not feel nervous on here. That's exactly how I feel on Twitter now.
I want people to feel free to express views on here and if that isn't the case then I need to change it. |
Seconded.
The way I think of LFW is it's like me having a cuppa with my brother: he's my best friend but I can't remember the last time we agreed about anything to do with football. But that's ok. He's still my best friend.*
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:13 - Aug 28 with 1178 views | Northernr |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:04 - Aug 28 by KensalT |
Really good point you made on Hoops and Dreams about the model of training players to play out from the back and then selling them to the Premier League isn't going to work anymore because the PL has moved on and become a lot more physical with only Man City still trying to play out from the back.
So playing out from the back doesn't work for us and even if we did manage to get good at it there would be no market to sell the players in.
Why are we still struggling on with it!? |
It's a really good point. I mean Russell Martin can't make it work with Rangers versus St Mirren, which at the last set of accounts was £60m in payroll playing £1.6m. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:14 - Aug 28 with 1156 views | numptydumpty |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 11:49 - Aug 28 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Absolutely.
I said this to Sidney Sweeney in my Ferrari this morning. |
Agree
I said it to Sidney James in my Reliant Robin... |  |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:16 - Aug 28 with 1119 views | EuroRanger |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 12:54 - Aug 28 by RsinWales |
After 45 minutes against Preston, I foolishly allowed my hope to burn brightly.
We looked energetic, were getting the ball forward quickly, Madsen looked like the player he was at the end of last season. Poku looked really good and "We've finally cracked it" was the thought that entered my mind.
That 45 minutes seems a long time ago now. As Norf mentioned, so many of the same, seemingly obvious problems are hobbling us once again.
We have some very decent players in a fully fit team (a nice notion) but our game model has failed us consistently since the beginning of last season. I am pretty sure we would see something better if we let it go.
To my mind, if there ever was a time to embrace building slowly from the back, it certainly isn't now. Teams have had a few seasons now to work out how to counteract it, whilst we are apparently still (painfully) learning how to do it.
We are not going to surprise any decent teams playing that way; it is nerve-shredding for the players and supporters; and we don't have the right personnel.
I sometimes feel like we build our philosophy from the Arsenal playbook. Wenger and Arteta both seemed determined to ignore the obvious flaws in midfield/strikers (respectively), despite everyone watching Arsenal saying the same thing. The only reason we are not in L1 is because we abandoned it for a substantial period last season. This is not rocket science. |
I actually think we can continue to build from the back, BUT that we need to complement it with being able to be direct. I think being able to go direct will cause teams to back off of us enough for us to begin to play out from the back. This is why Man City signed Haaland (other than him being an incredible all-round player) but that he would theoretically allow them to versatility to play in different ways and become more difficult to defend.
A little tactical versatility wouldn't actually harm the 'game model', necessarily, but perhaps allow it to breathe. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 14:18 - Aug 28 with 1063 views | mikeyhg |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 12:08 - Aug 28 by Northernr |
Not just the official website either. |
Not saying they should do and there's probably better channels but any question asked on X to the official channel that may taint the club in a negative light what so ever are ignored. I.e. asking why the 'general sale' for away tickets constantly starts at 500 points because someone turned the button off at 500 points and didn't reset it to zero prior to the general sale window opening.
It's all happy happy happy, whose turning up on Saturday, happy happy happy, here's some pictures of players if you request them (I mean who below the age of 16 does that?). It's not a communication tool with the fans, its propaganda. | | | |
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