| In Advanced Talks With Edwards 22:19 - Aug 26 with 36703 views | Hoops1975 |
Really ???
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 08:31 - Aug 28 with 2630 views | enfieldargh |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 08:17 - Aug 28 by EuroRanger |
Since we've missed O'Brien, is there someone else like him that we could find?
I guess that's the million dollar question... [Post edited 28 Aug 8:19]
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I put all the attributes we need of a box2box8 with super fine tackling etc into Qpr’s algorythym machine thingy and the reading was we already have 2 players that fit the bill
Nicolas Madsen and someone called Taylor Richards |  |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 08:37 - Aug 28 with 2495 views | Lblock |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 22:48 - Aug 27 by EalingHoop81 |
As exciting as this is, it makes me nervous on what we are doing financially, albeit the loan with permanent option does give us the chance to assess at the end of the year.
I think this and Saito is the Eze money done and whilst it’s very positive, we’ll really need for a few of these players to be saleable assets in the coming 2-3 years, I.e. not do what we did with Dykes, Dickie, Dieng etc, but rather Kelman and Armstrong but to a bigger extent with turning these guys for £5m+ fees.
Whilst I can think of 10-12 players that could have significant upside and profit, it feels we are panicking a bit spending potentially £9m since Sunday with decent wages as well, because Watford and Coventry were big wake up calls. |
So we need them to be saleable assets and not a strong squad pushing for promotion and ultimately promoted?
The game I used to love seems no more than an accountant’s balancing sheet these days.
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:03 - Aug 28 with 2187 views | mikeyhg |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 08:37 - Aug 28 by Lblock |
So we need them to be saleable assets and not a strong squad pushing for promotion and ultimately promoted?
The game I used to love seems no more than an accountant’s balancing sheet these days.
Tell that to Grimsby fans this morning |
Doubt the Edwards rumours are true but if it is, I think it could work for two reasons.
Unfortunately whilst we have loads of CBs on our books, very few can play much if at all (JCS, Cook, Morrison was only fit for half of last season?), so it provides the needed quality cover there.
Secondly, part of what we loved is he can bring the ball out, attract the opposition's front press and then get it out to full back/winger quickly with their channel freer (having attracted the initial press). If he ends up carrying the ball a bit further than expected, that's where a Haydn/Field should slot back into CB whilst Edwards is further up the pitch. It weirdly would then allow us to play without this traditional ball playing 8 and actually free up that space for another attacker (dembele, chair, kolli etc).
But as I said at the top, I'd be very surprised if we pull this off. If we do though, I can't see how we don't recoup our money in 12-24 months if £6m is the figure. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:07 - Aug 28 with 2146 views | Ghost_on_the_Westway |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 08:17 - Aug 28 by EuroRanger |
Since we've missed O'Brien, is there someone else like him that we could find?
I guess that's the million dollar question... [Post edited 28 Aug 8:19]
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Wonder if the Mackems might be tempted to get Alan Browne off their books on the cheap?
Not even on the bench for them last night, let alone in the league.
Always looked a bloody good Championship player whenever the Sultans of Shitehousery brought their show to town. [Post edited 28 Aug 9:07]
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:08 - Aug 28 with 2109 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:07 - Aug 28 by Ghost_on_the_Westway |
Wonder if the Mackems might be tempted to get Alan Browne off their books on the cheap?
Not even on the bench for them last night, let alone in the league.
Always looked a bloody good Championship player whenever the Sultans of Shitehousery brought their show to town. [Post edited 28 Aug 9:07]
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Isn't Browne linked with the Marxist Hunters?
Very good player in our division and can control midfield. Again, though, not sure he moves the ball out form the back? |  |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:23 - Aug 28 with 1920 views | CiderwithRsie |
Veering off topic a tad, but the comment upthread that "whilst we have lots of CBs, few of them can play much, if at all" does rather sum up both why the club is in need of a "project" and why people are a tad sceptical of how it's going. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:24 - Aug 28 with 1909 views | Northernr |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:23 - Aug 28 by CiderwithRsie |
Veering off topic a tad, but the comment upthread that "whilst we have lots of CBs, few of them can play much, if at all" does rather sum up both why the club is in need of a "project" and why people are a tad sceptical of how it's going. |
I thought that's what Mbengue was here for, and did well with against Preston. Since then we've stuck him left back and dropped him.
Like I say, all a bit weird atm. |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:48 - Aug 28 with 1619 views | E1Hoop |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:24 - Aug 28 by Northernr |
I thought that's what Mbengue was here for, and did well with against Preston. Since then we've stuck him left back and dropped him.
Like I say, all a bit weird atm. |
I post rarely. But whilst there are many things that annoy me about Rangers, the lack of consistency and logic really gets to me.
If we need a box to box midfielder then we do we keep signing tricky wingers and 10s. If full backs are so important in the modern game why do we have so few options. If Hayden is an answer perhaps we should have sold Varane and used the funds to buy O’Brien. If the project is to develop players then we need a core of performing players to allow the projects to develop and be sold. Dembele trying to play whilst we have no control of the game will not develop his game or resale value.
Whilst I would love to see Edwards back it does smack of short term thinking rather than a plan. More look we can have a good player rather than how do we build the best squad we can, whether that is for results or the project.
I can cope with us being bad and beaten but only if we are doing everything we can to be the best we can be. For many years it seems like we are making it up as we go along.
Not looking for answers or saying anything new, just venting that the lack of logic and basic competence is infuriating. | | | |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:53 - Aug 28 with 1542 views | californiahoop |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 23:09 - Aug 27 by DavieQPR |
Simple mathematics. If Southampton want their money back they are going to have to sell at £6m because they will only get half that.£6m is a big fly for us. |
It’s normally a % of the profit element of the transfer. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:56 - Aug 28 with 1499 views | Northernr |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:48 - Aug 28 by E1Hoop |
I post rarely. But whilst there are many things that annoy me about Rangers, the lack of consistency and logic really gets to me.
If we need a box to box midfielder then we do we keep signing tricky wingers and 10s. If full backs are so important in the modern game why do we have so few options. If Hayden is an answer perhaps we should have sold Varane and used the funds to buy O’Brien. If the project is to develop players then we need a core of performing players to allow the projects to develop and be sold. Dembele trying to play whilst we have no control of the game will not develop his game or resale value.
Whilst I would love to see Edwards back it does smack of short term thinking rather than a plan. More look we can have a good player rather than how do we build the best squad we can, whether that is for results or the project.
I can cope with us being bad and beaten but only if we are doing everything we can to be the best we can be. For many years it seems like we are making it up as we go along.
Not looking for answers or saying anything new, just venting that the lack of logic and basic competence is infuriating. |
Echoing the frustrations of many, mate. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:59 - Aug 28 with 1448 views | BklynRanger |
I find myself massively oversimplifying at the minute, but if we can get a deal on Edwards we should go for it.
But only if it's an actual deal, not fcuking Southampton deigning to do business with us and we pay 85-90% of full wack on a player we love and they now don't.
If not we need to try somehow to focus single-mindedly on the runny-kicky midfielder problem. Which we still haven't. |  | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:00 - Aug 28 with 1434 views | californiahoop |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 08:12 - Aug 28 by Northernr |
Well I love Edwards and would love him here. But it's clear as day the midfield is the area we need major surgery, and has been all summer. I've been saying for months Lewis O'Brien would have transformed us, he goes to Wrexham and then we get Eze money. Frustrating. But it's that profile of player we need.
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Maybe it’s because we didn’t have the Eze windfall? If it’s true we are looking at Edwards and it’s a loan with a view, we may still be able to look at an O’Brien type, he would have been perfect. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:04 - Aug 28 with 1375 views | aston_hoop |
Southampton about to get £42 million quid for one of their players, takes their summer incomings to over £100 million. They certainly won't be desperate for the cash right now |  |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:07 - Aug 28 with 1315 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 08:37 - Aug 28 by Lblock |
So we need them to be saleable assets and not a strong squad pushing for promotion and ultimately promoted?
The game I used to love seems no more than an accountant’s balancing sheet these days.
Tell that to Grimsby fans this morning |
Unfortunately, in the short term, the simple answer is yes, we do need them to be saleable assets.
Varane is a really good example. He isn't a ball playing 6 for the Championship, but he is for abroad where they get more time (all the bids in the summer were from abroad).
So, we have to play him to increase his value. Flog him next summer for hopefully £8-10m and then bring in a couple of better players.
Do that 3 or 4 times (Kone, Poku, Esquadinha etc) building the squad, and we'll be right up amonst the promotion push. As long as we recruit correctly, gulp. But, it'll take 3 or 4 years, though next season I reckon will be in the playoff mix
I think this is why youngsters really are not bothered about binning off cup competitions. For them it's meaningless in the medium/long term where as getting 16yo game time and increasing their value could have a long term impact.
Grimsby, lovely for them last night, but its one night. Long term what will the impact be? Not a lot really, they'll still be a struggling L1 or L2 team in 5/10 years.
There is a balance though, we shouldn't bin off the FA Cup. | |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:09 - Aug 28 with 1275 views | numptydumpty |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:48 - Aug 28 by E1Hoop |
I post rarely. But whilst there are many things that annoy me about Rangers, the lack of consistency and logic really gets to me.
If we need a box to box midfielder then we do we keep signing tricky wingers and 10s. If full backs are so important in the modern game why do we have so few options. If Hayden is an answer perhaps we should have sold Varane and used the funds to buy O’Brien. If the project is to develop players then we need a core of performing players to allow the projects to develop and be sold. Dembele trying to play whilst we have no control of the game will not develop his game or resale value.
Whilst I would love to see Edwards back it does smack of short term thinking rather than a plan. More look we can have a good player rather than how do we build the best squad we can, whether that is for results or the project.
I can cope with us being bad and beaten but only if we are doing everything we can to be the best we can be. For many years it seems like we are making it up as we go along.
Not looking for answers or saying anything new, just venting that the lack of logic and basic competence is infuriating. |
Spot on with everything you say.
You should post more often E1.
Your last line regarding lack of logic and competence is ironic, as logic and football is never a common bedfellow . Its a mad world. There is no logical explanation, for example,.to be a QPR fan.
Competence of the hierarchies running football clubs, again you would assume with the levels of pay these people are on in all aspects of the club, you would have imagined we could get people who are extremely competent and work focussed and find ways to improving situations and acting promptly where necessary. But no, its seems competence is still a hard nut to crack also !!!
Such is the way of football !!! [Post edited 28 Aug 10:10]
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:11 - Aug 28 with 1243 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:48 - Aug 28 by E1Hoop |
I post rarely. But whilst there are many things that annoy me about Rangers, the lack of consistency and logic really gets to me.
If we need a box to box midfielder then we do we keep signing tricky wingers and 10s. If full backs are so important in the modern game why do we have so few options. If Hayden is an answer perhaps we should have sold Varane and used the funds to buy O’Brien. If the project is to develop players then we need a core of performing players to allow the projects to develop and be sold. Dembele trying to play whilst we have no control of the game will not develop his game or resale value.
Whilst I would love to see Edwards back it does smack of short term thinking rather than a plan. More look we can have a good player rather than how do we build the best squad we can, whether that is for results or the project.
I can cope with us being bad and beaten but only if we are doing everything we can to be the best we can be. For many years it seems like we are making it up as we go along.
Not looking for answers or saying anything new, just venting that the lack of logic and basic competence is infuriating. |
You should post more often Sir. |  |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:11 - Aug 28 with 1226 views | E17hoop |
6 pages on a signing which, as far as I can tell, based purely on a single Twitter rumour as its source?
There is nothing, nada, zilch, anywhere else about this. I think it says a lot about us that we are desperate for some good news. |  |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:18 - Aug 28 with 1128 views | JamesB1979 |
Was trying to take a break from qpr and then Ronnie came along.
It’s could all be rubbish but For me, there’s 3 reasons why we would sign him. But first one is all that matters.
1. it’s Ronnie Edwards
He’d be the best player in our squad by a mile. It’s a pretty good assumption that this has happened late because he’s not playing for Southampton. He’ll want to play. He has England and premier league ambitions. He can’t “waste” a season. So he must be pushing this, initially at least.
And if Ronnie Edwards knocks on your door and asks to be let in, you don’t turn him away, even if your house is full. You give him the sofa and let him have your beer.
2. Rumour is that it’s a loan initially. So if/when we do spend money on him, it’s next year ffp and next season we will be selling players.
3. I always thought, if you assume that your defenders are players that can be relied upon to be available ie not with physio all the time, that you probably need 3 centre backs and 2-3 full backs as a minimum. And whilst may be slight differences, there is no significant drop off. I think Cook has shown he’s unfortunately not back to the level he was at. JCS hasn’t played a run of matches since first half of 2024. I don’t think, even if he comes back training in September sometime, that he would be anywhere near ready for a match for a while. If we got Ronnie and JCS got fit, I’d be tempted to loan JCS out in January to get matches and be with a better phsyio team (😉). So that leaves Mbengue and Morrison. With Dunne also if he’s not playing right back. So, for me, having another option there is important. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:20 - Aug 28 with 1081 views | OakR |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 08:37 - Aug 28 by Lblock |
So we need them to be saleable assets and not a strong squad pushing for promotion and ultimately promoted?
The game I used to love seems no more than an accountant’s balancing sheet these days.
Tell that to Grimsby fans this morning |
I think you need both - one of our issues has been not having sellable assets, meaning we couldn't buy players to help wiith promotion etc so alwasy scraping the bottom of the barrel, interspersed with periodics gambles that then cripple us for years afterwards.
So I think you need a mix, keep improving the squad, keep selling for profit, improve again, sell again, improve again so that in 4-5 years time the squad is much better than the one we had at the start and we have a chance at promotion.
I don't think, unless we get very lucky, it can happen in a couple of seasons though.
All the above is obviius and easy to say, the question is if we actually do it. There will be mistakes like Celar (like at every club) who don't work out we put too much money on, we just can't repeat that many times and with Celar and Madsen we've made it difficult for ourselves.
It's not the 80s/90s I grant you signing the likes of Parker, Wilson, Sinclair, Ferdinand, Peacock, Barsdley etc cheaply and eventually sellling on - we are night and day to then of course. | |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:23 - Aug 28 with 1020 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:18 - Aug 28 by JamesB1979 |
Was trying to take a break from qpr and then Ronnie came along.
It’s could all be rubbish but For me, there’s 3 reasons why we would sign him. But first one is all that matters.
1. it’s Ronnie Edwards
He’d be the best player in our squad by a mile. It’s a pretty good assumption that this has happened late because he’s not playing for Southampton. He’ll want to play. He has England and premier league ambitions. He can’t “waste” a season. So he must be pushing this, initially at least.
And if Ronnie Edwards knocks on your door and asks to be let in, you don’t turn him away, even if your house is full. You give him the sofa and let him have your beer.
2. Rumour is that it’s a loan initially. So if/when we do spend money on him, it’s next year ffp and next season we will be selling players.
3. I always thought, if you assume that your defenders are players that can be relied upon to be available ie not with physio all the time, that you probably need 3 centre backs and 2-3 full backs as a minimum. And whilst may be slight differences, there is no significant drop off. I think Cook has shown he’s unfortunately not back to the level he was at. JCS hasn’t played a run of matches since first half of 2024. I don’t think, even if he comes back training in September sometime, that he would be anywhere near ready for a match for a while. If we got Ronnie and JCS got fit, I’d be tempted to loan JCS out in January to get matches and be with a better phsyio team (😉). So that leaves Mbengue and Morrison. With Dunne also if he’s not playing right back. So, for me, having another option there is important. |
2. Rumour is that it’s a loan initially. So if/when we do spend money on him, it’s next year ffp and next season we will be selling players.
This is far from guaranteed. I'd love to see Edwards in a QPR shirt, but this is a risky way to do it.
See Nardi and Dunne for recent examples of players touted for sale not getting over the line. [Post edited 28 Aug 10:25]
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:24 - Aug 28 with 1003 views | QPRSam |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:11 - Aug 28 by E17hoop |
6 pages on a signing which, as far as I can tell, based purely on a single Twitter rumour as its source?
There is nothing, nada, zilch, anywhere else about this. I think it says a lot about us that we are desperate for some good news. |
indykaila was a joke don't get me wrong but seems to be legit this summer, even Ornstein was crediting him with breaking news. I'm not getting my hopes up because it seems too good to be true, but there must be something there | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:25 - Aug 28 with 978 views | aston_hoop |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:29 - Aug 28 with 933 views | Superhoop83 |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:25 - Aug 28 by aston_hoop |
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But we're 6 pages and counting into this thread!!! |  |
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| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:30 - Aug 28 with 896 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 09:48 - Aug 28 by E1Hoop |
I post rarely. But whilst there are many things that annoy me about Rangers, the lack of consistency and logic really gets to me.
If we need a box to box midfielder then we do we keep signing tricky wingers and 10s. If full backs are so important in the modern game why do we have so few options. If Hayden is an answer perhaps we should have sold Varane and used the funds to buy O’Brien. If the project is to develop players then we need a core of performing players to allow the projects to develop and be sold. Dembele trying to play whilst we have no control of the game will not develop his game or resale value.
Whilst I would love to see Edwards back it does smack of short term thinking rather than a plan. More look we can have a good player rather than how do we build the best squad we can, whether that is for results or the project.
I can cope with us being bad and beaten but only if we are doing everything we can to be the best we can be. For many years it seems like we are making it up as we go along.
Not looking for answers or saying anything new, just venting that the lack of logic and basic competence is infuriating. |
I think signing Edwards would still align with long-term thinking though as he was so good last season that you can only see him getting better. I still can't believe this is true though.
Totally agree regarding the imbalance of the squad - this was a key failing last season too, and we don't seem to have learnt from it. | | | |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:31 - Aug 28 with 881 views | Rsole |
| In Advanced Talks With Edwards on 10:11 - Aug 28 by E17hoop |
6 pages on a signing which, as far as I can tell, based purely on a single Twitter rumour as its source?
There is nothing, nada, zilch, anywhere else about this. I think it says a lot about us that we are desperate for some good news. |
We love nothing more than a thread about a player not playing for us ! What else generates such optimism and hope ?!?
Eze and Kelman are gone - enter Edwards (not literally, although tempting).
Would be a major coup for us and I would hope we could get some upside in the investment too, just as long as we don’t kill him to death before he plays a game or two.
It would also defy the logic of other development signings but who cares, eh ? |  |
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