| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:53 - Apr 29 with 2867 views | ted_hendrix |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:51 - Apr 29 by Mick_S |
We’ll get through it Ted, and end up in the same place. |
Well It's been a long horrible day but that made me laugh. |  |
| My Father had a profound influence on me, he was a lunatic. |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:54 - Apr 29 with 2848 views | R_from_afar |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:45 - Apr 29 by ted_hendrix |
What's sad Is a high proportion of posters on here are slating the club which Is kind of understandable but sad at the same time.
We'll get through this because we always do. |
Ted, that is elegiac. Beautifully put 👏 |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:55 - Apr 29 with 2804 views | dm97 |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:50 - Apr 29 by Gloucs_R |
All these snake comments on Twitter... I don't agree. Managers come and go, as do players. He clearly didn't like what he saw within the club. He's ambitious and doesn't want to be here. Fine. Off you go, thanks for the past 18 months. He certainly lifted the place for a bit. Next. |
Totally agree with this mindset. Liked him, better than a lot of the dirge we’ve had for a while, but this doesn’t happen without him wanting to go. Resolve it quick and move on. The club is bigger than an individual and we won’t cease to exist because Marti isn’t our manager. |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:55 - Apr 29 with 2798 views | connell10 |
Nourryvirus just f uck off you litte stuck up prick!! |  |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:58 - Apr 29 with 2722 views | E17hoop |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:51 - Apr 29 by willo |
It is sad but it is because the club is quite simply being really badly run. This is just the latest in a series of awful decisions by the owners/board/executives. They are taking people's active support and tolerance levels for granted and they are in serious danger of doing it once too often for many of us. Straws and damaged camels come to mind. |
Renew your season ticket!
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:00 - Apr 29 with 2664 views | Ghost_on_the_Westway |
We’ve been mad as a box of frogs for far too long.
Only at Rangers could some 20-something yuppie with NO experience whatsoever be allowed to take over, play Football Manager for real and get us into this state.
Anyone who comes back to me sticking up for him, then let me save you the time - Fck right off.
We shouldn’t be surprised really, but this is a killer, even for us.
Fckin mental to lose the only decent thing about this club. [Post edited 29 Apr 21:00]
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:04 - Apr 29 with 2523 views | QPunkR |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:50 - Apr 29 by Snipper |
I really hate this club at times. 😡 |
Usually two out of three weekends, but now also during midweek |  |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:05 - Apr 29 with 2496 views | BklynRanger |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:15 - Apr 29 by QPR_John |
Why sack him and lose any compensation. |
And why give up any semblance of leverage?
It's all very well WLS saying it's different to the Holloway case but it's got exactly the same stink of fish about it. |  | | |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:05 - Apr 29 with 2497 views | willo |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:58 - Apr 29 by E17hoop |
Renew your season ticket!
We don't know who the manager will be but you can trust us to make the right decisions!
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It's a marketing strategy of which Gerald Ratner would be proud. |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:05 - Apr 29 with 2486 views | Beckenhamhoop |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:12 - Apr 29 by Hunterhoop |
But why would anyone agree that. They have us over a barrel. They know we want rid, need rid, and so out bargaining position is terrible. Carry on and make out all is well and clubs realise it will cost them.
We’re now paying him - not to manage us - and are less likely to get any comp. If we then try to sack him without paying him up (for some sort of gross misconduct issue) any half decent manager will run a mile from working here. So, we now have to pay him off.
We’ve turned a position of likely receiving comp into likely paying him off or being extremely unattractive to potential head coach candidates.
Strategic. |
So what you’re saying is that Cifuentes’ maneuvering is going to cost QPR PLC several million pounds? |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:05 - Apr 29 with 2485 views | daveB |
would be quite funny if West Brom don't offer him the job |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:09 - Apr 29 with 2361 views | connell10 |
Someone is doing a very bad job at running this club. | |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:09 - Apr 29 with 2352 views | will16macgill |
I'm amazed at the split. Twitter all calling Marti a snake, and everyone on this message board all want Nourry's head instead. Incredible scenes, and a total mess which is standard for this club. |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:09 - Apr 29 with 2340 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Seems the logical thing to do as they investigate potential breach of contract.
Really not that bothered about MC going. Again, being brutally honest the football has been absolutely God awful under his tenure, bar a couple of brief windows.
Bizarre if he goes to WBA, not exactly a bastion of stability either. Unfortunately for MC I can see him lasting about the same length of time as he did with us. | | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:14 - Apr 29 with 2203 views | Rangersw12 |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:09 - Apr 29 by will16macgill |
I'm amazed at the split. Twitter all calling Marti a snake, and everyone on this message board all want Nourry's head instead. Incredible scenes, and a total mess which is standard for this club. |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:14 - Apr 29 with 2182 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:55 - Apr 29 by dm97 |
Totally agree with this mindset. Liked him, better than a lot of the dirge we’ve had for a while, but this doesn’t happen without him wanting to go. Resolve it quick and move on. The club is bigger than an individual and we won’t cease to exist because Marti isn’t our manager. |
Yes but why did he want to leave? What was it about the club that he couldn’t stand any longer?
The recruitment last year was wildly naive at best. We spent over a million on a striker not even remotely suited to what he needed. We laid 3 million for a guy that spent most of the season looking like he were auditioning for Dancing on Ice. Terrible full backs. One left back. Dunne’s contract about to expire and leave on a free. Same with Paal. Willock last year. Ferdinand was chased out with flaming pitchforks for letting that happen once with Bright. A squad with more wounds than a George R R Martin novel. A head of performance with his feet up in Dubai on FaceTime to the NBA. You could go on and on.
No one man is bigger than QPR but for me it was never Cifuentes trying to make that so; it’s always been Nourry.
As Dave Mc said in his podcast this week; this squad might be the worst QPR squad in our lifetime. Worse than the 2001 squad which was essentially assembled from a Salvation Army shop.
Finally - the previous 4 managers all had this club in the form of the worst team in the football league. That essentially only stopped over a sustained period when Cifuentes got here. I don’t believe for a second it’ll just be a case of next man up. I think we’ll recede into pathetic gutless surrenders like we endured for two years before Marti. Our club stinks like Chernobyl’s gooch. It’s toxic, manipulative, shady, opaque and has an intertwined losing culture. The one guy that changed that fortune has just been forced out for his protestations.
I honestly feel like we could be about to experience some of our darkest ever days. Maybe I’m being dramatic but that’s just what I feel in my waters. [Post edited 29 Apr 21:42]
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:15 - Apr 29 with 2171 views | Juzzie |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:09 - Apr 29 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Seems the logical thing to do as they investigate potential breach of contract.
Really not that bothered about MC going. Again, being brutally honest the football has been absolutely God awful under his tenure, bar a couple of brief windows.
Bizarre if he goes to WBA, not exactly a bastion of stability either. Unfortunately for MC I can see him lasting about the same length of time as he did with us. |
How much if that is down to him, players acquired by Nourry and injuries |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:15 - Apr 29 with 2165 views | BushRanger82 |
I'm sorry but Marti leaving leaves me cold.
And I don't get the Nourri hating.
That bloody team of ours should have done better than they did. That they didn't, is down to the coach and the players.
We might just as well blame ourselves, if we don't point the finger solely where it should be pointed. |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:19 - Apr 29 with 2008 views | Hunterhoop |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:05 - Apr 29 by Beckenhamhoop |
So what you’re saying is that Cifuentes’ maneuvering is going to cost QPR PLC several million pounds? |
Far from it. Nourry’s behaviour got us to this point, and his bad decision making will cost us money as he’s removed whatever leverage we had. |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:20 - Apr 29 with 1987 views | Phildo |
He plants violas and he drinks plant food and he fkg hates the chelsea flower show doesn’t have the same ring to it |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:21 - Apr 29 with 1941 views | lassel |
The good news is at least is that Norf surely had the obituary pre-written and ready to go….
If not the poor guy will have IV’d a barrel of Peroni, racked up a speedball and set to it right now. | | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:23 - Apr 29 with 1875 views | dm97 |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:14 - Apr 29 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Yes but why did he want to leave? What was it about the club that he couldn’t stand any longer?
The recruitment last year was wildly naive at best. We spent over a million on a striker not even remotely suited to what he needed. We laid 3 million for a guy that spent most of the season looking like he were auditioning for Dancing on Ice. Terrible full backs. One left back. Dunne’s contract about to expire and leave on a free. Same with Paal. Willock last year. Ferdinand was chased out with flaming pitchforks for letting that happen once with Bright. A squad with more wounds than a George R R Martin novel. A head of performance with his feet up in Dubai on FaceTime to the NBA. You could go on and on.
No one man is bigger than QPR but for me it was never Cifuentes trying to make that so; it’s always been Nourry.
As Dave Mc said in his podcast this week; this squad might be the worst QPR squad in our lifetime. Worse than the 2001 squad which was essentially assembled from a Salvation Army shop.
Finally - the previous 4 managers all had this club in the form of the worst team in the football league. That essentially only stopped over a sustained period when Cifuentes got here. I don’t believe for a second it’ll just be a case of next man up. I think we’ll recede into pathetic gutless surrenders like we endured for two years before Marti. Our club stinks like Chernobyl’s gooch. It’s toxic, manipulative, shady, opaque and has an intertwined losing culture. The one guy that changed that fortune has just been forced out for his protestations.
I honestly feel like we could be about to experience some of our darkest ever days. Maybe I’m being dramatic but that’s just what I feel in my waters. [Post edited 29 Apr 21:42]
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I get what you’re saying but I think it’s far simpler. He thinks he’s got a better chance of getting where he wants to go elsewhere (WBA or otherwise). That is probably because of a lot of the issues you’ve listed, that I agree with, but I think we are naturally going to over analyse on here as fans.
Reflection of where we are now that moving to WBA is perceived as a step up. Depressingly simple imo. | | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:25 - Apr 29 with 1756 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:40 - Apr 29 by ed_83 |
Baffled by this approach from Nourry and the club. If Marti wanted to leave, and we wanted him gone, then agree to cancel his contract. If he was going to be poached by another team, sit tight and get some compensation. Doing it this way round is the worst of both worlds: WBA know he's worth nothing to us, but we also have to keep paying him until someone else offers him a job.
I'm sure there's lots going on behind the scenes here, and Marti clearly isn't blameless, but honestly it just screams of poor planning and trying to be too clever, like so many other things at the club.
It's also, regardless of blame, a really sad and unedifying way for Marti to leave, after 18 months in which he's generally come across as committed to the club and connected to the supporters. Just a massive shame all round, really. [Post edited 29 Apr 20:41]
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It's certainly unedifying - on that all of us will agree.
I did get the strong whiff from the whole tone of Dave Mc's WLS interview that he was ITK about Marti not playing a straight bat. If MC has authorised his people to speak to WBA (or speak to anyone), irrespective of what else has or hasn't gone on behind the scenes, he's an architect of his own downfall. Why should the club countenance that? This is a man who is so touched by our support for him he can't even wait till the end of the season to get away from us! I also agree with Kevin G. that his performance has been decent (at best), and sometimes indecent. On footballing grounds alone, whether he deserves to continue is contestable at the very least.
He signed a new contract in September, so that means, presumably, everything has gone pear-shaped in eight short months. Presumably we now have to pay him off in full, or make a gross misconduct charge stick to avoid it. Either way, it makes you one to tear the leaves from every tree in the vicinity of LR.
The fans, who they make such disingenuous noise about beign the best, are being made utter mugs of on the pitch and now off it. They don't deserve us, but we're stuck with them. [Post edited 29 Apr 21:34]
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:27 - Apr 29 with 1743 views | hoops_legend |
We can’t get any consistency in this club. I am worried that Saito will now also leave which will be a big blow to us as well
We also need a good manager who allows players to play with freedom for us to keep
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:27 - Apr 29 with 1740 views | daveB |
On the plus side I won't have to talk about the Burnley game when I do the hoops and dreams podcast/preview show tomorrow | | | |
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