| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 23:30 - Apr 29 with 2415 views | daveB |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 23:05 - Apr 29 by JamesB1979 |
Just back from pub. What have I missed? |
Arsenal shit the bed in the champions league, not much else really |  | |  |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 23:30 - Apr 29 with 2405 views | LongRanger |
I like Marti but he was always going, but this approach appears so inept. My only hope is that a fee is already agreed with WBA, and he’s been sent away until they finalise the details. In reality though, Nourrys ego appears to be burning the house down, he’s an embarrassment.
Narcissists don’t ever think they’re wrong, the only thing they don’t like is being disliked or shown up, so I hope he hears it this weekend, but ultimately he’s been put there by the owners, who are a shambles. |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 23:33 - Apr 29 with 2379 views | wombat |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 22:25 - Apr 29 by BklynRanger |
People coming on and moaning about posts being pro-Marti, or even pro-Nourry are missing the point I think.
Nourry seems to have at best tied himself into pursuing the breach of contract approach, so we can presumably avoid paying up all or part of his contract. That's the best he can hope for now. But if the word is out that they don't get on he should still have had it about him to make a semi convincing argument that he's determined to put it all behind them and look forward to next season.
Even if it was complete balls it would have been a position. Instead he's just spat his dummy and made a childish power play that could cost us whatever small but useful compensation we might have managed to get. |
Furlong will end up as part of the settlement deal . |  |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave (n/t) on 23:36 - Apr 29 with 2335 views | wombat |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave (n/t) on 22:55 - Apr 29 by stainrods_elbow |
Good god! So it's quite OK for our manager to pimp himself round the Champ while he's still employed by us, is it? You remind me of those Trumpites who, as the man himself said, could shoot a man dead on 5th Avenue and they 'd still think him the bee's knees! |
Well that’s how he joined us | |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 23:39 - Apr 29 with 2308 views | baz_qpr |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 23:33 - Apr 29 by wombat |
Furlong will end up as part of the settlement deal . |
With Dunne going the other way.
The Percy story in the telegraph that he had not taken training today and that they were going to get him for no comp might have been the trigger. Probably legal rather than PR pulling the strings |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 23:42 - Apr 29 with 2265 views | JamesB1979 |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 23:09 - Apr 29 by Northernr |
What I said was happening weeks ago and you got stuck into me for it  |
I just wanted everyone, Nourry, Marti and all of us to have a big hug. | | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 23:43 - Apr 29 with 2258 views | daveB |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 23:33 - Apr 29 by wombat |
Furlong will end up as part of the settlement deal . |
That wouldn't be a bad idea | | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 23:45 - Apr 29 with 2226 views | 1JD |
Lee Hoos is doing extremely well to avoid being associated with this absolute sh!t show.
But he, along with his appointed sidekick Kim Jung Nourry, are both behind this concoction.
How on earth was it that Les went, Ramsay went. But Hoos stayed and got promoted?
The owners urgently need to clean house and get some new counsel.
We are in a death spiral. | | | |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 23:47 - Apr 29 with 2200 views | Northernr |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 23:42 - Apr 29 by JamesB1979 |
I just wanted everyone, Nourry, Marti and all of us to have a big hug. |
I think, and this isn't just to you but a few others as well, next time posters who've shown themselves to be reliable sorts over a long period of time are sending up distress flares it might be worth listening. |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 00:05 - Apr 30 with 2060 views | KernowRanger |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 00:08 - Apr 30 with 2028 views | NewBee |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 22:53 - Apr 29 by Hunterhoop |
But this sounds like the party line, doesn’t it? How does putting him on gardening leave - telling the world you don’t want him and preventing us hiring a new HC in the interim - give us any leverage in negotiations on compensation.
If we want the compensation, pretend everything is hunky dory, carry on, hold your nerve, and wait for their proposal. |
Was speaking to s.o. who knows a bit about employment law and it may be as follows.
WBA need a manager and want MC. While MC wants to leave QPR. (Which came first I don't know, but in a sense it doesn't/needn't matter, contract wise.)
Anyhow, with MC having signed a new contract in Sept(?), were WBA to approach QPR to recruit him, they'd have to pay compo, which they either won't do, or can't afford to do.
Meanwhile, QPR/Nourry now want MC out. If they just sack him, he'll be contractually due some compensation, with how much depending on the terms in his contract.
QPR obv don't want to pay him anything, and might have difficulty proving exactly who approached whom between WBA and MC. So they've just put him on gardening leave, to wait until he resigns to take over at The Hawthorns, which presumably will be soon enough, since neither MC nor WBA want him to be out of the game for very long.
OK, QPR will have to forego whatever compo they might have been due from WBA. But otoh, they won't have to give MC a payoff either i.e. each cancels the other out.
Then when MC finally does resign, they are free to appoint his replacement just as soon as they've identified him. (Mind you, even if they light upon s.o. soon, this might not be until the summer, so as to save a couple of months wages, or to allow the appointeee to work out his notice etc). | | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 00:24 - Apr 30 with 1971 views | johncharles |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 22:13 - Apr 29 by SimonJames |
#NourryOut |
Just when you think it can’t get worse……..I’ve down arrowed this 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 |  |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 00:36 - Apr 30 with 1933 views | Nov77 |
Haven’t heard the Gallen comments but if he said marti has done a decent job I think that’s fair. Somebody on this thread said he performed a miracle keeping this lot up. No, a miracle would be getting this lot promoted, getting them to where we are in the league, winning only 7 home games all season and the usual cup embarrassments is, as Gallen says no more than “decent”.
Not sure why we judge our managers on how much we like them rather than what they achieve.
I guarantee whoever the new guy is, if he comes in, and finds a way to make us competitive again all of this will be quickly forgotten. |  |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 01:03 - Apr 30 with 1826 views | Rsole |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 00:08 - Apr 30 by NewBee |
Was speaking to s.o. who knows a bit about employment law and it may be as follows.
WBA need a manager and want MC. While MC wants to leave QPR. (Which came first I don't know, but in a sense it doesn't/needn't matter, contract wise.)
Anyhow, with MC having signed a new contract in Sept(?), were WBA to approach QPR to recruit him, they'd have to pay compo, which they either won't do, or can't afford to do.
Meanwhile, QPR/Nourry now want MC out. If they just sack him, he'll be contractually due some compensation, with how much depending on the terms in his contract.
QPR obv don't want to pay him anything, and might have difficulty proving exactly who approached whom between WBA and MC. So they've just put him on gardening leave, to wait until he resigns to take over at The Hawthorns, which presumably will be soon enough, since neither MC nor WBA want him to be out of the game for very long.
OK, QPR will have to forego whatever compo they might have been due from WBA. But otoh, they won't have to give MC a payoff either i.e. each cancels the other out.
Then when MC finally does resign, they are free to appoint his replacement just as soon as they've identified him. (Mind you, even if they light upon s.o. soon, this might not be until the summer, so as to save a couple of months wages, or to allow the appointeee to work out his notice etc). |
In the real world (outside of football), you get put on garden leave to serve your notice so you can’t work for anyone else or come into the office etc. Your access to systems and the office are usually taken away and you are left to ‘garden’ whilst you get paid your salary.
Once your notice period is over, you are free to take another job, subject to contract clauses like non competes. Until then, you remain an employee with all the contract terms and conditions in place.
Effectively in limbo unless something changes that means the contract can be terminated sooner - in this case, a buy-out clause would do it and I assume that is what Nourry is waiting for.
Marti can’t start a new job until the notice period ends otherwise which could affect the preseason elsewhere - dog in a manger springs to mind.
It should (RW not football again) also mean we can’t replace him until it’s resolved - in the same job. Ways around that by hiring for a different role - e.g. Coach rather than Manager.
Meanwhile the smell Kinda Lingers, as per the recently posted NTNN video. |  |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 01:47 - Apr 30 with 1719 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 22:22 - Apr 29 by Hunterhoop |
And also taking what suits your preconception from those you criticise and ignoring the rest as nonsense. A boxing historian if ever there was one. “I don’t like all the ITK stuff you say, but that bit suits my agenda, so we’ll add that to my argument but ignore the rest.”
As many of us have kept saying, Cifuentes is no angel. On Nourry, you simply don’t want to know/listen though. You’re entrenched. If that’s where you want to be, that’s up to you. But what others are saying is not “errant nonsense”. It’s from first and second hand accounts of the fella, feedback from those closer, and quite easy piecing together of his background, including interviews and quotes he’s given. Ignore if you want. Ignore at your peril, but then I would say that. |
Yeah you would. |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 02:32 - Apr 30 with 1654 views | numptydumpty |
Had a full on day myself and only just seen this
Got turned down for pay rise today where I considered i had a job for life
Was an unexpected kick in the knackers.
Late to the Internet and here we are...
Fudge !!!!
Not surprised but also surprised....
Think Marti had issues with recruitment and injury troubles. Possibly got assurances elsewhere hence why he is surplus to requirements...
If we hold onto Xavi, I personally think that could be very smart. For me has the potential to be better than his former master..
However I think he will follow Marti.
I did think the starting four up front last game of;
Dembele Madsen Kolli Ashby
- was Marti saying f u and I need more than this !!
I remember one of Warburtons last matches, I believe he only named five subs and had two substitute goalkeepers - something like that...
It's a great shame , however football is a f'd up business and nothing surprises... |  |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 04:56 - Apr 30 with 1551 views | ArcticHoop |
Looking at Marti´s career history shows that he hasn´t spent more than 2 season in a one club. Feels like he always on the move | | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 05:58 - Apr 30 with 1439 views | Rsole |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 04:56 - Apr 30 by ArcticHoop |
Looking at Marti´s career history shows that he hasn´t spent more than 2 season in a one club. Feels like he always on the move |
It can be a good way to accelerate your career if you get a batter job every 2 years. It also pays better than hoping for a pay rise from your current employer.
On the flip, you can find yourself in deep shit if you choose the wrong boss and club. Then the stepping stone can get very slippery when wet. | |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 06:10 - Apr 30 with 1391 views | QPROslo |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 22:47 - Apr 29 by PunteR |
Be interesting to see how the players respond this weekend The whole point of a DoF (I thought) was managers can come and go. But that means the players have to buy into what the DoF does and not the manager doesn't it?.
If the players down tools, which it kinda looked like last Saturday, (although Burnley were immense.) than it should give us an idea of what they think of Nourry. I wouldn't be surprised if Nourry goes too. |
Yes, Nourry should be fired immediately. I've not been impressed by him but haven't criticised him so much until now because so much has been conjecture with really only his rejection of open communication with Fans a clear negative. To effectively fire a good and popular Manager, the best we've had since Warburton imo, and also do it in this way making receipt of any substantial compensation from the Club that employs him unlikely is idiotic. The scenario WLS describe of a potential gridlock where we cannot employ a new Head Coach and MC cannot move on to another Club is liable to totally f*ck our summer and potentially next season. Hope those Marti In / Nourry out banners are on the way to Sunderland. [Post edited 30 Apr 6:23]
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 06:11 - Apr 30 with 1385 views | Bluce_Ree |
When it comes to this club, don't ever expect anything good ever. |  |
| Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 06:17 - Apr 30 with 1368 views | GaryHaddock |
Except the moral reasons, why can’t we employ another head coach while Marti is on gardening leave? |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 06:32 - Apr 30 with 1334 views | QPROslo |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 06:17 - Apr 30 by GaryHaddock |
Except the moral reasons, why can’t we employ another head coach while Marti is on gardening leave? |
My understanding is that this is embedded in UK employment law. The WLS article has more info as does a UK Gov link at the bottom of the 1st page of this thread. Possibly there is a work around, but the Club would need to be very careful and my trust that would be done right is diminishing by the hour. | | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 06:38 - Apr 30 with 1309 views | captainmycaptian |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 19:57 - Apr 29 by willo |
Nourry has to go. He's not up to the job and is on track to cause us to be relegated. Absolute clown. |
For facts sake!!! This whatna utter utter shite run club Nourry out ..... did I say FFS !!!!! Really annoying even by this place. I actually think I am done with this club. The first real manager with a style and ethos that youncould see and this is what happens. Fcking clueless CEO | | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 06:41 - Apr 30 with 1296 views | captainmycaptian |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:00 - Apr 29 by Ghost_on_the_Westway |
We’ve been mad as a box of frogs for far too long.
Only at Rangers could some 20-something yuppie with NO experience whatsoever be allowed to take over, play Football Manager for real and get us into this state.
Anyone who comes back to me sticking up for him, then let me save you the time - Fck right off.
We shouldn’t be surprised really, but this is a killer, even for us.
Fckin mental to lose the only decent thing about this club. [Post edited 29 Apr 21:00]
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This !!! The only real positive thing at the club | | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 06:54 - Apr 30 with 1255 views | Rsole |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 06:17 - Apr 30 by GaryHaddock |
Except the moral reasons, why can’t we employ another head coach while Marti is on gardening leave? |
It’s employment law to protect employees from dodgy employers.
If you hire someone else on a different basis, you can work around it but you can’t have two people doing the same job at the same time otherwise one of them will sue you for constructive dismissal (or similar) and I assume in this case, it would be a considerable amount of money and time involved. I didn’t see a reason for the gardening leave -yet- or if he was fired or resigned mind you.
Xavi could only replace him in the same role once Marti’s contact has terminated. So if he has 2 months notice, it could block him until July potentially. Meantime he can be ‘acting’ or ‘caretaker’ temporarily but not permanently.
So until it’s resolved, Nourry will probably be dealing with all the OOCs, contact extensions, sales and retention of players.
You just hope that someone pays the release clause now (or the owners swallow the money) and Marti leaves quickly, with a replacement starting soon enough to be part of the decision making process for players and staff.
On the subject of owners, you would hope that they sat down as a board to make this decision in the last couple of days so hopefully there is a plan to mitigate this from dragging on all summer. But who the hell knows. | |
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