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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 06:54 - Apr 30 by Rsole
It’s employment law to protect employees from dodgy employers.
If you hire someone else on a different basis, you can work around it but you can’t have two people doing the same job at the same time otherwise one of them will sue you for constructive dismissal (or similar) and I assume in this case, it would be a considerable amount of money and time involved. I didn’t see a reason for the gardening leave -yet- or if he was fired or resigned mind you.
Xavi could only replace him in the same role once Marti’s contact has terminated. So if he has 2 months notice, it could block him until July potentially. Meantime he can be ‘acting’ or ‘caretaker’ temporarily but not permanently.
So until it’s resolved, Nourry will probably be dealing with all the OOCs, contact extensions, sales and retention of players.
You just hope that someone pays the release clause now (or the owners swallow the money) and Marti leaves quickly, with a replacement starting soon enough to be part of the decision making process for players and staff.
On the subject of owners, you would hope that they sat down as a board to make this decision in the last couple of days so hopefully there is a plan to mitigate this from dragging on all summer. But who the hell knows.
“Until it’s resolved, Nourry will probably be dealing with all the OOCs, contact extensions, sales and retention of players.”
He’s doing that anyway mate. It’s his show. We’re at his mercy.
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 07:27 - Apr 30 with 1964 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 23:33 - Apr 29 by wombat
Furlong will end up as part of the settlement deal .
Exactly, there won’t be any financial compensation.
West Brom are a mid table side, higher than us and with bigger aspirations. They’re employing a manager whose achievement is keeping us out of league one, something we’ve managed for the last ten seasons and largely without him. West Brom will probably have a hundred applications if they put it out there and the fans will probably be a bit meh about his appointment.
If he’d taken us to promotion then compensation is a starter, that’s the reason we incorporated it in his contract. As it stands West Brom will tell us if you want compensation then sue your manager. Not something we’d want to get involved in so a handshake and you can have Furlong will settle the deal.
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 07:57 - Apr 30 with 1705 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:09 - Apr 29 by will16macgill
I'm amazed at the split. Twitter all calling Marti a snake, and everyone on this message board all want Nourry's head instead. Incredible scenes, and a total mess which is standard for this club.
Obviously guessing but it's a lot easier for somebody at the club to manipulate Twitter to impact supposed public opinion for their agenda.......
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 08:02 - Apr 30 with 1632 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 23:12 - Apr 29 by connell10
Nourry is a chancer, pure and simple! Another terrible appointment by our useless board. Season tickets are going up again , might be time to knock this shite on the head methinks.
I actually think your right my son likes to go so I might stick it out. This is worse than then shi te results this is just going no where fast. Going down next season now
Nicked from Facebook. Shaun derry on talk sport has said this is not the 1st time that marti has spoken to other clubs behind the clubs back and this time they have put their foot down.....would appear he's another beale snake? Is that a fair assessment?
Ps, I don't agree with the comparison to Beale, but if true (and it seems it probably is) it does sort of put things in perspective a bit
QPR Statement: "Marti Cifuentes has tended to his lawn and will be back in the dugout on Saturday, we would like to Thank supporters for their understanding at this time" etc.
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 09:57 - Apr 30 with 1069 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 09:36 - Apr 30 by Hayesender
Nicked from Facebook. Shaun derry on talk sport has said this is not the 1st time that marti has spoken to other clubs behind the clubs back and this time they have put their foot down.....would appear he's another beale snake? Is that a fair assessment?
Ps, I don't agree with the comparison to Beale, but if true (and it seems it probably is) it does sort of put things in perspective a bit
Did Marti flog our most salable assets until their bodies broke down, careers stalled, left on a free transfers because they knew they were set for the knackers yard and had to milk every penny of their next contract?
Did Marti come to us via an official website interview saying loyalty and integrity are important values so he won't be leaving only to accept another job days later?
Did Marti stand in the way of our most salable assets being sold when they clearly should have been sold, ruining our P&S headroom for literally three years leaving us with the paltry budgets we had to work under, only to swiftly bugger off at the mere sniff of another offer?
As Hunter Hoop has consistently and wonderfully articulated right through this thread... I don't think anyone thinks Marti has been some sort of QPR suffragette or martyr, trashing his own career in the name of the club's progress at all costs. He's no saint, he's been looking after himself plenty. That I suppose is what you get when you employ a talented, progressive, hungry manager.
Is he in any way similar to Michael fu>king prick cvnt Beale? Absolutely not in any way whatsoever. He served us well and stablilised a club that - when he arrived - was wonkier than Tony Adams' drive home and in my view deserved a move if he wanted it.
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 09:57 - Apr 30 with 1059 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 23:47 - Apr 29 by Northernr
I think, and this isn't just to you but a few others as well, next time posters who've shown themselves to be reliable sorts over a long period of time are sending up distress flares it might be worth listening.
I think I’ve tried to be balanced in my view on this situation. But there is an element (not you and it’s a small minority) that are so entrenched they see Nourry as the anti-Christ, who hasn’t done a single good thing and anyone who even slightly disagrees is called a “Nourry bot”. So I probably stuck to my position harder due to these views because it’s so irrational.
People have asked for information on the issues at the club. And we’re told basically it’s the medical guy and the free kick specialist (I think?). Yes these are frustrating but that’s not a reason to be so unhappy you want to resign. So clearly as you’ve said there are other issues going on but do we know specifically what they are? And for me they are very important for the next guy we get in.
I don’t want to go over Nourry issue again because for example, I think signings of Varane, Dembele, Morrison, Saito are good signings and I think just the type of players I have been demanding we sign for years. Not the usual ex player but young out of the box and cheaper players. Problem is you will get some wrong eg Madsen. But that will happen. I know I’m in a minority, but I think recruitment wasn’t that bad and I think we’re actually not in that bad a position going into the next season. We have a strong spine with Nardi, Cook, JCS, Morrison, Field, Varane, Chair. Yes we need strikers and full backs but we’re significantly better than 2 years ago.
But mainly on Marti - I don’t agree that it’s ok for his agents to/ Marti to be talking to other clubs before end of the season. And now Derry is saying Marti was doing the same last summer. That is exactly what Beale was doing but the difference is Beale got job offers and Marti didn’t. I also think that Marti was involved in recruitment. So if you think recruitment was bad (which I don’t) then he’s partly to blame for that too. Nourry isn’t honest with us but then neither is Marti. He talks about having a meeting and he’ll stay if he’s wanted and yet in the same week he’s saying that he or his agents are talking to West Brom. How can you go into a meeting with QPR in good faith if you’re doing that.
Having said all that. I do think Marti has done a good job and I’m not sure we will get a better manager. But we do need a manager who wants to be here. If you’re chatting to other clubs, 6 months after joining us, that’s not a good look.
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:00 - Apr 30 with 1015 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 09:42 - Apr 30 by Northernr
"Marti Cifuentes is not on the West Brom shortlist and will not be their new manager" says the local hack up there...
I'm not surprised by this at all. With all the chaos going on, any Championship club with promotion opportunities next season is going to want an incoming coach with a clean slate and top-eight Championship know-how, no? I love what Marti has done here but would his on-paper record (and the current shenanigans) appeal to these clubs? Still I retain the tiniest of hopes that he might stay with us. Somehow.
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:02 - Apr 30 with 985 views
I guess at this stage, why would WBA say they are interested? Its so early, the season isn't even over. But now they know we've already kicked out the manager. So they may well sit tight for a few weeks now, leak the news they aren't bothered, interview some other people and wait for us to sack him outright. Saves them a few quid
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:00 - Apr 30 by loftus77
I'm not surprised by this at all. With all the chaos going on, any Championship club with promotion opportunities next season is going to want an incoming coach with a clean slate and top-eight Championship know-how, no? I love what Marti has done here but would his on-paper record (and the current shenanigans) appeal to these clubs? Still I retain the tiniest of hopes that he might stay with us. Somehow.
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He won't stay here, we'll just have to pay him off now
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:06 - Apr 30 with 906 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:02 - Apr 30 by daveB
He won't stay here, we'll just have to pay him off now
Yeah this is inevitable. The higher ups (probably higher than CN) are probably just pissed off and instead of taking the sensible route of waiting to see what happens in next few weeks and getting potentially getting some comp they’ve blinked / their ego has taken over. No one’s going to pay for a guy you’ve put on gardening leave.
Will keep saying it - Nourry is not the cause he is a symptom
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:10 - Apr 30 with 822 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 09:49 - Apr 30 by daveB
The club might have dropped a bollock here
I mean only if you believe in the notion that they’ve put him on gardening leave purely to obtain some imminent compensation elsewhere, which as much as I respect Dave Mc, is missing quite some context.
As said, there was a long agreed separation coming post Sunderland. His agent has been talking to clubs seriously since March which the club have known all along. The expensive PR consultant had scripted a nice, fluffy parting release with lots of talk about bearhugs, cubano’s and rioja’s when he comes back next season with his new club. He has blown that up completely with his teams’ agreement for Ian Mc to publish and they’ve pivoted now to ‘look how disloyal he is, we had no choice’.
There won’t be any compensation - any interested club when contacting his agent will be told he’s getting paid out shortly, just wait and you can have him in long before June without having to pay anything. Nourry has had his ego bruised and now wants to rescind the agreement to pay him out but they can’t sack him with cause as his agent has long had agreement/knowledge of the club that they were in discussions elsewhere, so it’s at pure PR for the masses point now. Some will buy it, many won’t. Ultimately Cifuentes gets paid a modest sum to go and we move on. As a QPR fan I sincerely hope Christian pulls off a blinder with his replacement, but I have my fears.
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