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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:06 - Apr 30 by dm97
Yeah this is inevitable. The higher ups (probably higher than CN) are probably just pissed off and instead of taking the sensible route of waiting to see what happens in next few weeks and getting potentially getting some comp they’ve blinked / their ego has taken over. No one’s going to pay for a guy you’ve put on gardening leave.
Will keep saying it - Nourry is not the cause he is a symptom
Sorry... You're suggesting it's a board member rather than CN that's sanctioned Marti's garden leave?
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:13 - Apr 30 with 1522 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:10 - Apr 30 by lassel
I mean only if you believe in the notion that they’ve put him on gardening leave purely to obtain some imminent compensation elsewhere, which as much as I respect Dave Mc, is missing quite some context.
As said, there was a long agreed separation coming post Sunderland. His agent has been talking to clubs seriously since March which the club have known all along. The expensive PR consultant had scripted a nice, fluffy parting release with lots of talk about bearhugs, cubano’s and rioja’s when he comes back next season with his new club. He has blown that up completely with his teams’ agreement for Ian Mc to publish and they’ve pivoted now to ‘look how disloyal he is, we had no choice’.
There won’t be any compensation - any interested club when contacting his agent will be told he’s getting paid out shortly, just wait and you can have him in long before June without having to pay anything. Nourry has had his ego bruised and now wants to rescind the agreement to pay him out but they can’t sack him with cause as his agent has long had agreement/knowledge of the club that they were in discussions elsewhere, so it’s at pure PR for the masses point now. Some will buy it, many won’t. Ultimately Cifuentes gets paid a modest sum to go and we move on. As a QPR fan I sincerely hope Christian pulls off a blinder with his replacement, but I have my fears.
Well based on what Derry was saying he’s been talking to other clubs since he joined!
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:15 - Apr 30 with 1486 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 07:40 - Apr 30 by stevec
Exactly, there won’t be any financial compensation.
West Brom are a mid table side, higher than us and with bigger aspirations. They’re employing a manager whose achievement is keeping us out of league one, something we’ve managed for the last ten seasons and largely without him. West Brom will probably have a hundred applications if they put it out there and the fans will probably be a bit meh about his appointment.
If he’d taken us to promotion then compensation is a starter, that’s the reason we incorporated it in his contract. As it stands West Brom will tell us if you want compensation then sue your manager. Not something we’d want to get involved in so a handshake and you can have Furlong will settle the deal.
West Brom don't want to pay MC's release because they're skint:
"West Bromwich Albion have reported a loss of £33.9m for the 2023-24 season.
The 12-month period ending 30 June 2024 covers the now American-owned Championship club's first season following the loss of their Premier League parachute payments.
It is the first time since Albion were first promoted in 2002 that they have not benefited from any Premier League funding,"
Your talk of "compensation" is nonsense. Managers have release clauses the same as players. It has nothing to do with league position.
They're a club with top six aspirations and maybe a top half budget.
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:19 - Apr 30 with 1413 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:19 - Apr 30 by JamesB1979
You said board member sanctioned his removal. So I’d say my response was very relevant.
Ok poor choice of word on my part. Any suggestion the board are the ones pulling the strings here in getting rid of Marti rather than Nourry himself has to be challenged though. That has to be bollocks.
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:24 - Apr 30 with 1312 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:14 - Apr 30 by JamesB1979
Well based on what Derry was saying he’s been talking to other clubs since he joined!
His agent was working *hard* to get him the Burnley job last summer, his name was not entirely brilliantly blurred out in the Burnley documentary with ‘suggested by agent’, but he wasn’t seriously considered. He had serious talks with Sunderland last summer but didn’t get the job for whatever reason, at which point he was told he either signed the new contract and ‘commit’ to the club with a higher buyout or he fcked off. He ummed and aahed during early pre-season before signing.
The card was marked obviously by that point though and Ruben had to overrule Nourry on at least one occasion last season when he had tried to sack him.
Nothing wrong with Nourry demanding as such last summer, I fully supported it as a fan first and it’s the right time to seperate this summer, it’s just being handled really poorly.
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:25 - Apr 30 with 1302 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:22 - Apr 30 by Padulas_Shampoo
Ok poor choice of word on my part. Any suggestion the board are the ones pulling the strings here in getting rid of Marti rather than Nourry himself has to be challenged though. That has to be bollocks.
Yes of course. But it’s such a major decision, there will be active involvement from board members in this.
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:27 - Apr 30 with 1275 views
So we've now put a manager on gardening leave for trying to take another job he's not even in for.
Even by our standards this is something.
Where is Ruben? He must surely be livid at this. You employ and trust people to run the club for you, and look at the fcking state of it. Look at how our club is currently projecting itself publicly.
Disgusting really. Ego central. Zero regard for the club and its fans.
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:27 - Apr 30 with 1260 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:24 - Apr 30 by lassel
His agent was working *hard* to get him the Burnley job last summer, his name was not entirely brilliantly blurred out in the Burnley documentary with ‘suggested by agent’, but he wasn’t seriously considered. He had serious talks with Sunderland last summer but didn’t get the job for whatever reason, at which point he was told he either signed the new contract and ‘commit’ to the club with a higher buyout or he fcked off. He ummed and aahed during early pre-season before signing.
The card was marked obviously by that point though and Ruben had to overrule Nourry on at least one occasion last season when he had tried to sack him.
Nothing wrong with Nourry demanding as such last summer, I fully supported it as a fan first and it’s the right time to seperate this summer, it’s just being handled really poorly.
Thanks. I guess it all comes down to whether people think it’s ok to be “out there” on the market all the time looking for the next job. Whether it’s agent or Marti, Marti would know about it and agree to it.
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:28 - Apr 30 with 1240 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:27 - Apr 30 by Northernr
So we've now put a manager on gardening leave for trying to take another job he's not even in for.
Even by our standards this is something.
Where is Ruben? He must surely be livid at this. You employ and trust people to run the club for you, and look at the fcking state of it. Look at how our club is currently projecting itself publicly.
Disgusting really. Ego central. Zero regard for the club and its fans.
There is absolutely no way that Nourry has placed Marti on gardening leave without full involvement of the board and owners. It’s too big a decision.
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:34 - Apr 30 with 1150 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:10 - Apr 30 by lassel
I mean only if you believe in the notion that they’ve put him on gardening leave purely to obtain some imminent compensation elsewhere, which as much as I respect Dave Mc, is missing quite some context.
As said, there was a long agreed separation coming post Sunderland. His agent has been talking to clubs seriously since March which the club have known all along. The expensive PR consultant had scripted a nice, fluffy parting release with lots of talk about bearhugs, cubano’s and rioja’s when he comes back next season with his new club. He has blown that up completely with his teams’ agreement for Ian Mc to publish and they’ve pivoted now to ‘look how disloyal he is, we had no choice’.
There won’t be any compensation - any interested club when contacting his agent will be told he’s getting paid out shortly, just wait and you can have him in long before June without having to pay anything. Nourry has had his ego bruised and now wants to rescind the agreement to pay him out but they can’t sack him with cause as his agent has long had agreement/knowledge of the club that they were in discussions elsewhere, so it’s at pure PR for the masses point now. Some will buy it, many won’t. Ultimately Cifuentes gets paid a modest sum to go and we move on. As a QPR fan I sincerely hope Christian pulls off a blinder with his replacement, but I have my fears.
"There won’t be any compensation - any interested club when contacting his agent will be told he’s getting paid out shortly, just wait and you can have him in long before June without having to pay anything."
That makes no sense at all.
We reportedly received £1m when Beale sloped off back to Glasgow.
We would surely have wanted at least that sum written into MC's new contracts last September (and some for Xavi Calm as well).
The idea that we would just forego that and instead pay him off because there's demand for him from elsewhere is nonsense.
MC and XC aren't just employees they're assets as well. Every bit as much as the players. And we don't pay them off just because someone else wants them.
Buyout clauses are there to ensure the employee remains loyal or that we get something in return if they want to leave. We don't just write them off because the CEO is feeling a bit put out.
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:35 - Apr 30 with 1141 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:30 - Apr 30 by JamesB1979
There is absolutely no way that Nourry has placed Marti on gardening leave without full involvement of the board and owners. It’s too big a decision.
I'm speculating here but if Nourry has told the owners he's going to West Brom and we have to do this I can see why the owners would agree. The fact he hasn't has backfired massively
If I was Rueben I'd be sending Hoos and Nourry into the garden as well and starting again
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:36 - Apr 30 with 1117 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:35 - Apr 30 by daveB
I'm speculating here but if Nourry has told the owners he's going to West Brom and we have to do this I can see why the owners would agree. The fact he hasn't has backfired massively
If I was Rueben I'd be sending Hoos and Nourry into the garden as well and starting again
"If I was Rueben I'd be sending Hoos and Nourry into the garden as well and starting again."
Agreed. We're going to need a bigger garden.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:34 - Apr 30 by KensalT
"There won’t be any compensation - any interested club when contacting his agent will be told he’s getting paid out shortly, just wait and you can have him in long before June without having to pay anything."
That makes no sense at all.
We reportedly received £1m when Beale sloped off back to Glasgow.
We would surely have wanted at least that sum written into MC's new contracts last September (and some for Xavi Calm as well).
The idea that we would just forego that and instead pay him off because there's demand for him from elsewhere is nonsense.
MC and XC aren't just employees they're assets as well. Every bit as much as the players. And we don't pay them off just because someone else wants them.
Buyout clauses are there to ensure the employee remains loyal or that we get something in return if they want to leave. We don't just write them off because the CEO is feeling a bit put out.
Lassel has said openly mutliple times for a long time now that CN and Marti had already agreed a payoff for this summer. He was going to be paid to leave before all this kicked off.
Do you just not believe that's true? Because with that context everything in his previous post makes perfect sense.
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:39 - Apr 30 with 1067 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:35 - Apr 30 by daveB
I'm speculating here but if Nourry has told the owners he's going to West Brom and we have to do this I can see why the owners would agree. The fact he hasn't has backfired massively
If I was Rueben I'd be sending Hoos and Nourry into the garden as well and starting again
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Nourry would have to go if the reason for placing Marti on gardening leave was proved to be nonsense
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:40 - Apr 30 with 1032 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:35 - Apr 30 by daveB
I'm speculating here but if Nourry has told the owners he's going to West Brom and we have to do this I can see why the owners would agree. The fact he hasn't has backfired massively
If I was Rueben I'd be sending Hoos and Nourry into the garden as well and starting again
Unfortunately Reuben doesn’t seem to have a clue what’s going on.
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Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:42 - Apr 30 with 997 views
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:39 - Apr 30 by JamesB1979
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Nourry would have to go if the reason for placing Marti on gardening leave was proved to be nonsense
Nourry should go in any event.
He's unqualified for the job, spectacularly bad at it and if they hired me to do an audit of the club tomorrow I'd say to get rid of the DOF/CEO and hire two people who have more than one year of experience.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Cifuentes on gardening leave on 10:42 - Apr 30 by BrianMcCarthy
Nourry should go in any event.
He's unqualified for the job, spectacularly bad at it and if they hired me to do an audit of the club tomorrow I'd say to get rid of the DOF/CEO and hire two people who have more than one year of experience.
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