| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:27 - Apr 29 with 2521 views | Jevlar |
We’ve become a club that is struggling to stay in the champ.
Years and years of mismanagement from the board and owners.
A serious overhaul (again) needed in the summer and two teams coming back that will simply pass us on their way up
Without proper investment a la Wrexham/Birmingham under the current ownership model we are 16th in the Championship at best, far more likely to be playing in League One
Knee-jerk, totally. But I’m fed up of seeing us tread water whilst everyone around us swims. And am gutted Martí who for me has elevated us 5/6 places in the league in his two years at the club is now out. |  | |  |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:28 - Apr 29 with 2508 views | WestonsuperR |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:15 - Apr 29 by BushRanger82 |
I'm sorry but Marti leaving leaves me cold.
And I don't get the Nourri hating.
That bloody team of ours should have done better than they did. That they didn't, is down to the coach and the players.
We might just as well blame ourselves, if we don't point the finger solely where it should be pointed. |
I agree I don’t get all the CN hate but can’t see how you can expect that squad to do better than they did. Probably the worst forward line-up in the division with 1 Championship goal between the lot of them. To add to that we had an unbelievable injury list, minor miracle Marti kept us up. |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:30 - Apr 29 with 2429 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:23 - Apr 29 by dm97 |
I get what you’re saying but I think it’s far simpler. He thinks he’s got a better chance of getting where he wants to go elsewhere (WBA or otherwise). That is probably because of a lot of the issues you’ve listed, that I agree with, but I think we are naturally going to over analyse on here as fans.
Reflection of where we are now that moving to WBA is perceived as a step up. Depressingly simple imo. |
Our club spends £3m on Nico Madsen yet it’s me that’s over analysing?
I’m pretty sure Marti’s relationship with Nourry broke down months ago and he would have been dismissed this summer no matter what happened with any other club. |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:39 - Apr 29 with 2208 views | qprd |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:10 - Apr 29 by OldPedro |
The replies on Twitter to the club post are interesting - lots on accounts on there calling Marti a snake and backing Nourry. Seems whoever leaked the West Brom link has turned a few against the manager. |
same on bbc sport (where i just learned of this story)
comment section filled with people calling him a beale (haha!) or saying why would other clubs be interested in such a mediocre manager
i have had my theories on how these accounts get propagated- probably done by the same person who put out the narrative that we signed isaac hayden on a sweetheart loan deal out of the goodness of newcastles heart and some phantom relationship b/w the newcastle minority shareholder and amit. come on- in the history of football, has anyone ever heard of this kind of arrangement? the team that sold elliot anderson to notts forest for FFP is giving us mates rates on loanees? the moment i saw that narrative making its way on social media was the moment i realised some was putting stories out there |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:42 - Apr 29 with 2125 views | NorrisGreen |
Excellent, I'm made up he's gone - dreadful rubbish season, he had to carry the can. Baffling why even yesterday some were in denial and trying to put it down to tabloid tittle-tattle. Equally baffling is anyone defending the tripe he served up and touting him as some sort of genius. Common sense has prevailed at least. Bit odd that Calm's still here, thought they were an item or a duo... be funny if Calm turns out to be our special one but I won't hold me breath.... | | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:45 - Apr 29 with 2037 views | NewYorkRanger |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:32 - Apr 29 by ChrisNW6 |
I was really hoping to get another season under Marti, potentially with a chance to spend a bit more this summer. Hopefully the club has a succession plan with a list of potential candidates, so this doesn't drag out. Too early for the Nourry out banners and if we get decent compensation, credit to him for the contract extension.
This day was always going to come sooner than we wanted and Marti's stock has risen. Trust the long term plan and build on the foundations that have been laid.
Truly gutted but the club need to sort quickly without financial compromise and not let Marti dictate the narrative. |
Love the positivity, and believe me, I am a glass half full person by default. But when you say trust the long term plan, what is it? What is that plan that we should trust in? I see no evidence of anyone at the senior echelons of the club having any kind of clue whatsoever. Let alone a plan.
It's a shambles - and yeah we don't know the specifics of this particular situation - but it is a shambles.
It's a f*ckin curse supporting this lot.
I called my dear departed Dad out for this in the eulogy I delivered at his funeral. God bless him x |  |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:45 - Apr 29 with 2016 views | ManinBlack |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:23 - Apr 29 by dm97 |
I get what you’re saying but I think it’s far simpler. He thinks he’s got a better chance of getting where he wants to go elsewhere (WBA or otherwise). That is probably because of a lot of the issues you’ve listed, that I agree with, but I think we are naturally going to over analyse on here as fans.
Reflection of where we are now that moving to WBA is perceived as a step up. Depressingly simple imo. |
The problem we have with West Brom is that they usually finish above us and feature in the play off picture whereas we don't trouble the top half of the table whatsoever. This season Albion got 6 points off us. If you look at the last 12 meetings we have only won once. This poor run started after a 7-1 hammering when they put six past us in one half. Not very surprising that managers and players think the Baggies are a better bet than us.
I am not anti Nourry or Marti but as one of the old school, I don't think our club has been run well since the days of Jim Gregory. I thought Richard Thompson was OK but it all started to go really wrong when Gerry Francis left over the Marsh saga. Since then the ownership has been terrible and divisive with clueless individuals. [Post edited 29 Apr 21:46]
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:46 - Apr 29 with 1997 views | PunteR |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:03 - Apr 29 by NewYorkRanger |
Point of pedantry - it’s garden leave, not gardening leave.
Important to be accurate and correct with these things I say |
Is it Leave of Leaf.. ? |  |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:47 - Apr 29 with 1914 views | stainrods_elbow |
I'm sure there's going to be a super effort at Sunderland - can't you feel it in your water? The club should fly the entire away support up there in private jets and then pay them to be there.
Another 5-0 wouldn't surprise me at all, with Chair's head so low he's kicking it as he walks off. |  |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave (n/t) on 21:48 - Apr 29 with 1934 views | CamberleyR |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave (n/t) on 20:39 - Apr 29 by paulparker |
We are on our 18th manager under this mob , let that sink in for everyone
Nourry is out of his depth I grant you but he is just a front for the gimps who have made us a laughing stock , Nourry goes and then what ? We get another bloke just as sh1t it’s never going to end until they go |
11 surely? (not that that's much better)
Hughes, Redknapp, Ramsey, Hasselbaink, Holloway, Hair Island, Warburton, PBBC, Critchley, Ainsworth, Cifuentes |  |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:49 - Apr 29 with 1905 views | daveB |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:47 - Apr 29 by stainrods_elbow |
I'm sure there's going to be a super effort at Sunderland - can't you feel it in your water? The club should fly the entire away support up there in private jets and then pay them to be there.
Another 5-0 wouldn't surprise me at all, with Chair's head so low he's kicking it as he walks off. |
I'm so pleased I'm going to this one |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:49 - Apr 29 with 1891 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:15 - Apr 29 by Juzzie |
How much if that is down to him, players acquired by Nourry and injuries |
I didn't say the poor football was down to MC. It makes no difference who the manager is, hence I'm not bothered if he goes.
The club lurches from one self-inflicted wound to another, but I'm not going to let it up set me anymore. | | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:50 - Apr 29 with 1865 views | qprd |
just adding that i hold zero resentment towards cifuentes
really good manager and i wish him the best (whether he ends up managing in or out of our division)
just trying to imagine what self respecting manager would come work for us now | | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:50 - Apr 29 with 1859 views | Northernr |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:09 - Apr 29 by will16macgill |
I'm amazed at the split. Twitter all calling Marti a snake, and everyone on this message board all want Nourry's head instead. Incredible scenes, and a total mess which is standard for this club. |
Well it's the same over a lot of things - Paul Smyth a couple of weeks ago.
It's very different demographics, this message board vs Twitter. |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:51 - Apr 29 with 1825 views | NewYorkRanger |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:46 - Apr 29 by PunteR |
Is it Leave of Leaf.. ? |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:53 - Apr 29 with 1785 views | colinallcars |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:55 - Apr 29 by connell10 |
Nourryvirus just f uck off you litte stuck up prick!! |
Another Rich Tea biscuit, vicar ? |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:54 - Apr 29 with 1752 views | HammersmithR |
We are an absolute circus. The clowns that run our club literally do not have a club how to run a football club! I would love to know how many businesses the size of ours get a Gap student to run it. Nourry is an absolute fraud. The man has bullsh1ted his way in an interview with our naive board whose knowledge of running a football is limited. Their interests lie elsewhere and QPR is not high up in their priorities. They go from mistake to mistake in every decision they make. Recruitment continues to be poor. The stadium situation is an absolute disaster. We make no progress in this area whether it’s redevelopment or a new ground. We continue to fall further and further behind similar size clubs. We have no ambition as a club to progress. The focus every year is just to stay up. We the fans do our bit. Numerous games sell out. Our away support is fantastic. But overall we are served up a load of dross on the pitch. The board clearly don’t like Marti and how he is built up an affinity with the fans who have connected with him. We now go into another summer of upheaval. We have no manager. We have no idea where we are going on pre season. We have to build a new style of football. The manager has to come in and will want his own type of players so we go back to square one again. We are an absolute circus and I am sick to death of the view of us a club from the outside. Why can’t we be seen as a club that is well run who at least have some aspiration? If the focus is just to stay in the league then I’m afraid to see we will eventually drop and we only have ourselves to blame. | | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:55 - Apr 29 with 1729 views | Dorse |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:50 - Apr 29 by Northernr |
Well it's the same over a lot of things - Paul Smyth a couple of weeks ago.
It's very different demographics, this message board vs Twitter. |
Absulootly. Wee kan spel good. |  |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:55 - Apr 29 with 1728 views | mart_Goblin |
Copied and paste from another thread. Apologies had ‘my posts’ on so didn’t see this thread .
That statement on the website by Nourry blows my mind.
He’s pulled the wool over a lot of eyes this week including MC, Ruben , the players….and his main aim, the fans.
Be very wary about what you are reading or hearing .
Sorry it’s cryptic . I’ll get stick for that.
But beyond caring at this point .
Infuriating and frustrating.
It isn’t that Marti is irreplaceable , far from it actually . I like him but think he is slow sometimes to learn and adjust.
But it’s the way this has been done and handled.
The ‘snake’ isn’t the one on gardening leave
Going to come to a point where the fans have to make their voices heard.
It’s been coming |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:55 - Apr 29 with 1715 views | NewYorkRanger |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:45 - Apr 29 by ManinBlack |
The problem we have with West Brom is that they usually finish above us and feature in the play off picture whereas we don't trouble the top half of the table whatsoever. This season Albion got 6 points off us. If you look at the last 12 meetings we have only won once. This poor run started after a 7-1 hammering when they put six past us in one half. Not very surprising that managers and players think the Baggies are a better bet than us.
I am not anti Nourry or Marti but as one of the old school, I don't think our club has been run well since the days of Jim Gregory. I thought Richard Thompson was OK but it all started to go really wrong when Gerry Francis left over the Marsh saga. Since then the ownership has been terrible and divisive with clueless individuals. [Post edited 29 Apr 21:46]
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I thought we were going in the right direction under Bulstrode until he carked it.
For me, a big part of the problem is that I have experienced us being good, expecting to beat the top sides, etc etc,
But those were abnormal times. This is our default.
It winds me right up I can tell ya | |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:56 - Apr 29 with 1700 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:37 - Apr 29 by macclesfieldman |
I am not joining in with the Nourry is the devil and Marti is the best Manager ever theme.
Both have done some good things and probably made some mistakes.
At the end of the day Marti's agent entered discussions with a rival club and Marti must have expressed an interest.
The only option to Nourry imo was to put Marti on gardening leave, it would have been a farce to let Marti take the team to Sunderland.
I hope Marti leaves now as the relationship has been tainted. I also hope we know who the new Coach is quickly and we sort out the contracts of players we'd like to retain |
Agreed.
The story about his agent speaking to West Brom about the job is clearly true: if not then Cifuentes would have denied it which he hasn’t. He wants to go.
Amongst all the errant nonsense that the ‘intheknow’ experts have been throwing at the wall was Cifuentes was sniffing around the Burnley and Sunderland jobs last summer after about 6 months with us: the guy has always been using us as a foot in the door of English football, knows he can’t take us any further and wants to move on to a ‘bigger’ job and is making his move now as jobs such as WBA, Southampton, Norwich, almost certainly Leicester, possibly Leeds and Ipswich become available.
He wants to leave, he’s not committed to QPR, he shouldn’t be in charge against Sunderland. Resolve quickly and get someone in early.
Looking forward to the ‘are you Nourry’ etc posts from the usual suspects. |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:57 - Apr 29 with 1675 views | bosh67 |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 20:00 - Apr 29 by Tonto |
We are QPR. We cant have nice things |
Again this should be written above the entrance to Loftus Road. |  |
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| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 22:00 - Apr 29 with 1574 views | QPR_John |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:14 - Apr 29 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Yes but why did he want to leave? What was it about the club that he couldn’t stand any longer?
The recruitment last year was wildly naive at best. We spent over a million on a striker not even remotely suited to what he needed. We laid 3 million for a guy that spent most of the season looking like he were auditioning for Dancing on Ice. Terrible full backs. One left back. Dunne’s contract about to expire and leave on a free. Same with Paal. Willock last year. Ferdinand was chased out with flaming pitchforks for letting that happen once with Bright. A squad with more wounds than a George R R Martin novel. A head of performance with his feet up in Dubai on FaceTime to the NBA. You could go on and on.
No one man is bigger than QPR but for me it was never Cifuentes trying to make that so; it’s always been Nourry.
As Dave Mc said in his podcast this week; this squad might be the worst QPR squad in our lifetime. Worse than the 2001 squad which was essentially assembled from a Salvation Army shop.
Finally - the previous 4 managers all had this club in the form of the worst team in the football league. That essentially only stopped over a sustained period when Cifuentes got here. I don’t believe for a second it’ll just be a case of next man up. I think we’ll recede into pathetic gutless surrenders like we endured for two years before Marti. Our club stinks like Chernobyl’s gooch. It’s toxic, manipulative, shady, opaque and has an intertwined losing culture. The one guy that changed that fortune has just been forced out for his protestations.
I honestly feel like we could be about to experience some of our darkest ever days. Maybe I’m being dramatic but that’s just what I feel in my waters. [Post edited 29 Apr 21:42]
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“ Yes but why did he want to leave? What was it about the club that he couldn’t stand any longer?”
No he was simply offered more money. | | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 22:00 - Apr 29 with 1566 views | dachiltern |
Shambles. 64 years supporting this club and only now do I start to wonder why! What a bag of shite,  |  | | |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 22:01 - Apr 29 with 1560 views | mart_Goblin |
| Cifuentes on gardening leave on 21:54 - Apr 29 by HammersmithR |
We are an absolute circus. The clowns that run our club literally do not have a club how to run a football club! I would love to know how many businesses the size of ours get a Gap student to run it. Nourry is an absolute fraud. The man has bullsh1ted his way in an interview with our naive board whose knowledge of running a football is limited. Their interests lie elsewhere and QPR is not high up in their priorities. They go from mistake to mistake in every decision they make. Recruitment continues to be poor. The stadium situation is an absolute disaster. We make no progress in this area whether it’s redevelopment or a new ground. We continue to fall further and further behind similar size clubs. We have no ambition as a club to progress. The focus every year is just to stay up. We the fans do our bit. Numerous games sell out. Our away support is fantastic. But overall we are served up a load of dross on the pitch. The board clearly don’t like Marti and how he is built up an affinity with the fans who have connected with him. We now go into another summer of upheaval. We have no manager. We have no idea where we are going on pre season. We have to build a new style of football. The manager has to come in and will want his own type of players so we go back to square one again. We are an absolute circus and I am sick to death of the view of us a club from the outside. Why can’t we be seen as a club that is well run who at least have some aspiration? If the focus is just to stay in the league then I’m afraid to see we will eventually drop and we only have ourselves to blame. |
Spot on . Great post
Starting to think though that I’d settle for lower league football if it meant clearing out some of the frauds in our board room and having some decent people in charge with a basic knowledge of what they are supposed to be doing .
I realise that is fanciful .
But wow we have some nasty people pulling the strings right now . | | | |
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