| Taylor Richards finally going? on 08:45 - Jul 7 with 4085 views | JamesB1979 |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 18:10 - Jul 5 by 1BobbyHazell |
'Not being disruptive' !! Good one.
His very presence is disruptive. What do you think the team leaders like Cook think of him and his being in the dressing room? What do you think having a player whose commitment has been zero for
3 years, showing he couldn't give a fk about QPR, Cambridge or whoever whilst milking an excellent living off them suddenly be around the place? Think of that no budget year when Ainsworth started the season in charge, Richards was eating up a nice pay packet and wasn't remotely interested in helping out.
I thought we of all clubs, after the Fernandes years, have learnt the vital nature of having the right sort.
Have you lot not listened to the likes of Joel Lynch on his time here. Forgotten Laird and Tyler Roberts already? Losing the image/reputation for being known as a club where you can come and take the p*ss is really important for us. I mean this fella makes Boswinga look like f*ckin Clint Hill.
We're trying to build a team, a squad and a future plan. A football player who refuses to play football for 3 years shouldn't be anywhere near that. And he certainly shouldn't be taking minutes, even pre season, away from an Alfie Tuck etc etc.
'He says he really has changed this time mum.' [Post edited 5 Jul 18:12]
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Well I said “if…he’s not being disruptive”
It’s up to the Julien, the club and also the senior players. I imagine it’s all been discussed.
It’s not about the “right sort”. We signed this guy years ago. Unfortunately the club are paying his wages. We can’t change the past. Just got to make the most of the present situation. |  | |  |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 09:06 - Jul 7 with 3966 views | bosh67 |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 08:45 - Jul 7 by JamesB1979 |
Well I said “if…he’s not being disruptive”
It’s up to the Julien, the club and also the senior players. I imagine it’s all been discussed.
It’s not about the “right sort”. We signed this guy years ago. Unfortunately the club are paying his wages. We can’t change the past. Just got to make the most of the present situation. |
Totally agree. If his head is back then possibly cheaper to keep him on and at least get a season out of him. I doubt very much that he is 'disruptive' because up until now he's not been in a place to actually train. |  |
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| Taylor Richards finally going? on 11:01 - Jul 7 with 3780 views | francisbowles |
To: Bennytheball
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'How do you know whether he's had mental health issues? Do you have access to his health records? What do you really know about it? Understand that when you pull out the "what do we really know" trump card, it applies to you too. Personally, I have eyes and a brain, and I'm not buying it.'
Well, obviously I don't have access to his medical records and am only going on what's been posted on here. I did include myself when I said who are WE?
If it's not mental health issues then wtf is it? Lad who spent his childhood devoted to football and has done so well he is initially signed up by City. Then decides, nah, I don't really want to do this.
I don't know what TRs condition is or symptoms are. My personal experience tells me that these things are very delicate.
Back in the 80's a guy who worked in my department had been forced to reapply for his position and had been unsuccessful. He then went on sick leave with 'depression'. He returned to work for a few weeks and he was a quiet guy, so nobody noticed anything unusual. Then, one day he didn't come back from lunch. Our manager had to identify his broken body.
Take from that what you will but, since then, I can't take mental health conditions lightly and tend towards the benefit of the doubt. | | | |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 16:14 - Jul 7 with 3383 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 11:01 - Jul 7 by francisbowles |
To: Bennytheball
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'How do you know whether he's had mental health issues? Do you have access to his health records? What do you really know about it? Understand that when you pull out the "what do we really know" trump card, it applies to you too. Personally, I have eyes and a brain, and I'm not buying it.'
Well, obviously I don't have access to his medical records and am only going on what's been posted on here. I did include myself when I said who are WE?
If it's not mental health issues then wtf is it? Lad who spent his childhood devoted to football and has done so well he is initially signed up by City. Then decides, nah, I don't really want to do this.
I don't know what TRs condition is or symptoms are. My personal experience tells me that these things are very delicate.
Back in the 80's a guy who worked in my department had been forced to reapply for his position and had been unsuccessful. He then went on sick leave with 'depression'. He returned to work for a few weeks and he was a quiet guy, so nobody noticed anything unusual. Then, one day he didn't come back from lunch. Our manager had to identify his broken body.
Take from that what you will but, since then, I can't take mental health conditions lightly and tend towards the benefit of the doubt. |
If you're going by what's posted on here then you're reaching big time. The bottom line is when you attempt to cancel other folk by pulling the "What do we really know about it?" card, by definition you cancel your own opinion.
Now you reckon that when Taylor got to City he decided "nah, I don't really want to do this". If that's the case then he should've been looking for a new career and not signing professional football contracts that he had no intention of fulfilling.
As for what happened at your workplace, that's one example from 40 years ago that is frankly irrelevant to this conversation. I can give a ton of examples from my experience where folk were simply taking the piss. I worked with one man who went off sick for 6 months with depression. When he realised his salary was about to reduce to half-pay, he returned to work for 2 weeks before signing off sick for another 6 months. The rest of the team had to cover his workload and in a twist of irony one or two of them suffered from stress as a result. I also worked with a lady who was off work long-term with "mental health issues". By complete chance, she was seen by a colleague living it up on holiday in Marrakech. She was called in for a meeting during which she denied being abroad before being shown video evidence to the contrary.
Take from that what you will but the only fact of the matter is that you know no more about Taylor's mental health than the next man. What we do know is that he's wasted the last 2 years, taking up resources that could have been better utilised elsewhere. Next time you're wondering why the club still hasn't signed a striker, bear that in mind. [Post edited 7 Jul 16:18]
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| Taylor Richards finally going? on 16:53 - Jul 7 with 3221 views | Myke |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 16:14 - Jul 7 by Benny_the_Ball |
If you're going by what's posted on here then you're reaching big time. The bottom line is when you attempt to cancel other folk by pulling the "What do we really know about it?" card, by definition you cancel your own opinion.
Now you reckon that when Taylor got to City he decided "nah, I don't really want to do this". If that's the case then he should've been looking for a new career and not signing professional football contracts that he had no intention of fulfilling.
As for what happened at your workplace, that's one example from 40 years ago that is frankly irrelevant to this conversation. I can give a ton of examples from my experience where folk were simply taking the piss. I worked with one man who went off sick for 6 months with depression. When he realised his salary was about to reduce to half-pay, he returned to work for 2 weeks before signing off sick for another 6 months. The rest of the team had to cover his workload and in a twist of irony one or two of them suffered from stress as a result. I also worked with a lady who was off work long-term with "mental health issues". By complete chance, she was seen by a colleague living it up on holiday in Marrakech. She was called in for a meeting during which she denied being abroad before being shown video evidence to the contrary.
Take from that what you will but the only fact of the matter is that you know no more about Taylor's mental health than the next man. What we do know is that he's wasted the last 2 years, taking up resources that could have been better utilised elsewhere. Next time you're wondering why the club still hasn't signed a striker, bear that in mind. [Post edited 7 Jul 16:18]
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Hmm I think blaming Richards for our lack of strike power is a bit of a stretch - we've signed loads of strikers over TY he last 3 years. Problem is they are all a bit sh1t - but maybe that's down to Richards 'disruptive influence' even when he is not in the building.
The reality is the only thing that should interest us as fans is his football ability. If he is good enough and he's ours then either keep him, or sell to an interested party. The rest is just psycho babble that none of us are qualified to comment on. | | | |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 17:28 - Jul 7 with 3113 views | QPRSam |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 11:01 - Jul 7 by francisbowles |
To: Bennytheball
re:
'How do you know whether he's had mental health issues? Do you have access to his health records? What do you really know about it? Understand that when you pull out the "what do we really know" trump card, it applies to you too. Personally, I have eyes and a brain, and I'm not buying it.'
Well, obviously I don't have access to his medical records and am only going on what's been posted on here. I did include myself when I said who are WE?
If it's not mental health issues then wtf is it? Lad who spent his childhood devoted to football and has done so well he is initially signed up by City. Then decides, nah, I don't really want to do this.
I don't know what TRs condition is or symptoms are. My personal experience tells me that these things are very delicate.
Back in the 80's a guy who worked in my department had been forced to reapply for his position and had been unsuccessful. He then went on sick leave with 'depression'. He returned to work for a few weeks and he was a quiet guy, so nobody noticed anything unusual. Then, one day he didn't come back from lunch. Our manager had to identify his broken body.
Take from that what you will but, since then, I can't take mental health conditions lightly and tend towards the benefit of the doubt. |
Good post. Unlike any physical injury, I don't think it's something we as fans can demand to know every detail about, if his struggles are in fact mental health related
We didn't see EDB or Santos in the friendly so it makes me think JS at least wants to have a look. I thought he was alright and wish him luck, he's currently ours so I'll back him | | | |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 17:50 - Jul 7 with 3012 views | paulparker |
For those who think Richard’s has changed or think that he will play more than 10 games for us this season then you are delusional and you need to give your head a massive shake
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| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Taylor Richards finally going? on 18:11 - Jul 7 with 2945 views | ed_83 |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 20:01 - Jul 5 by francisbowles |
I'm going against the grain here. The guy has had mental health issues. Who are we to judge that? What do we really know about it? He is still under contract and it would seem that there is no way to end that. I thought he did okay today, as good as most of them. Play him like any other squad member and pick him on form. JS has no history with him and he will pick the best team he can. Let's see where it takes us. Rule nothing in and rule nothing out at the moment. |
Agree with almost all of this. If he's fit, engaged and performing to the required level, then I don't see any reason why he shouldn't play a part this season.
At the same time, I think a bit of wariness is probably healthy too. He's barely played any first-team football for three years, and has shown that he can't be relied on, whatever the reasons for that might be. If it turns out to have been a mental health thing then that's rough on him, but given his availability thus far you'd have to hope that the club have already ruled out giving him a new contract, however well he might perform over the next few months.
Best case scenario would be for him to be a decent squad option this season, before we either shake hands and part ways next spring, or get him off the books on a free at Christmas. Anything else would be way too much of a risk given what's gone before. [Post edited 7 Jul 18:24]
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| Taylor Richards finally going? on 18:15 - Jul 7 with 2914 views | JamesB1979 |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 17:50 - Jul 7 by paulparker |
For those who think Richard’s has changed or think that he will play more than 10 games for us this season then you are delusional and you need to give your head a massive shake
Should of been booted out 2 years ago |
I don’t think anyone has said “he’s changed”. I think it’s a question of whether he’s booted out or allowed to train with the team. If I was paying his wages and I can’t sell him, I’d want him to train and see what the new manager can do. As long as he’s not running around smacking people on the ass every 5 minutes and being disruptive, I’d see what he does. It’s not saying he’s changed or even giving him a chance, it’s just trying to get something out of him given the amount of cash spent. He probably won’t have changed and we shouldn’t expect much. But as long as he’s running around and training, he can at least help rest of the squad. | | | |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 18:41 - Jul 7 with 2796 views | Dorse |
I don't know his situation but, even if he's not going to have his contract renewed, we're still paying him. If he's fit and, more importantly, not blocking someone else's progression, I can understand the decision to play him for 45 mins in what is really just a training session.
Realistically, proving he's fit and (semi) firing in preseason gives us a shot of moving him on. Low risk to us; potential reward? Better than a kick in the slats. |  |
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| Taylor Richards finally going? on 19:35 - Jul 7 with 2656 views | DieByYourSide |
Now of course none of us know what's gone on BUT surely if he was suffering from mental health issues it would be pretty callous of the club not to put this into the public domain while he gets pilloried online. There's precedent for this with Lyle Foster at Burnley off the top of my head, perhaps other players too.
As it is, the facts are that Cambridge took one look at him and tried to send him back last year and we didn't want him. There may be shades of grey here but the evidence certainly points in a particular direction... | |
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| Taylor Richards finally going? on 19:48 - Jul 7 with 2615 views | francisbowles |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 16:14 - Jul 7 by Benny_the_Ball |
If you're going by what's posted on here then you're reaching big time. The bottom line is when you attempt to cancel other folk by pulling the "What do we really know about it?" card, by definition you cancel your own opinion.
Now you reckon that when Taylor got to City he decided "nah, I don't really want to do this". If that's the case then he should've been looking for a new career and not signing professional football contracts that he had no intention of fulfilling.
As for what happened at your workplace, that's one example from 40 years ago that is frankly irrelevant to this conversation. I can give a ton of examples from my experience where folk were simply taking the piss. I worked with one man who went off sick for 6 months with depression. When he realised his salary was about to reduce to half-pay, he returned to work for 2 weeks before signing off sick for another 6 months. The rest of the team had to cover his workload and in a twist of irony one or two of them suffered from stress as a result. I also worked with a lady who was off work long-term with "mental health issues". By complete chance, she was seen by a colleague living it up on holiday in Marrakech. She was called in for a meeting during which she denied being abroad before being shown video evidence to the contrary.
Take from that what you will but the only fact of the matter is that you know no more about Taylor's mental health than the next man. What we do know is that he's wasted the last 2 years, taking up resources that could have been better utilised elsewhere. Next time you're wondering why the club still hasn't signed a striker, bear that in mind. [Post edited 7 Jul 16:18]
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I wasn't playing any card and I certainly wasn't trying to cancel other folk; I also don't believe what I have said in any way cancels my own opinion. I was simply putting a view that if he has mental health problems then it has to be handled sensitively, which it seems the club has complied with most of the time.
Maybe I didn't make the next bit clear enough, I was actually trying to say after being devoted to football, which he almost certainly must have been, it is hard to believe that suddenly he thinks nah I don't want to play the game anymore.
Yes we know there are people who 'swing the lead' but there are also countless examples of suicide and it is very arrogant of you to say that is irrelevant because it was more than forty years ago.
Yep, I know it has been a strain on the club's resources but there is little that anyone can do about that.
Btw I have never claimed to know anymore than anyone else about his mental health. Unlike you, who seem certain that he is ok and just taking the piss, in spite of everything that has been on here in the past including his mate being killed, possibly in front of him. | | | |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 19:58 - Jul 7 with 2550 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 19:35 - Jul 7 by DieByYourSide |
Now of course none of us know what's gone on BUT surely if he was suffering from mental health issues it would be pretty callous of the club not to put this into the public domain while he gets pilloried online. There's precedent for this with Lyle Foster at Burnley off the top of my head, perhaps other players too.
As it is, the facts are that Cambridge took one look at him and tried to send him back last year and we didn't want him. There may be shades of grey here but the evidence certainly points in a particular direction... |
Just maybe they are respecting the players wishes and not disclosing it |  | | |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 20:06 - Jul 7 with 2522 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 19:48 - Jul 7 by francisbowles |
I wasn't playing any card and I certainly wasn't trying to cancel other folk; I also don't believe what I have said in any way cancels my own opinion. I was simply putting a view that if he has mental health problems then it has to be handled sensitively, which it seems the club has complied with most of the time.
Maybe I didn't make the next bit clear enough, I was actually trying to say after being devoted to football, which he almost certainly must have been, it is hard to believe that suddenly he thinks nah I don't want to play the game anymore.
Yes we know there are people who 'swing the lead' but there are also countless examples of suicide and it is very arrogant of you to say that is irrelevant because it was more than forty years ago.
Yep, I know it has been a strain on the club's resources but there is little that anyone can do about that.
Btw I have never claimed to know anymore than anyone else about his mental health. Unlike you, who seem certain that he is ok and just taking the piss, in spite of everything that has been on here in the past including his mate being killed, possibly in front of him. |
I understood fully what you meant. Some people are just eager to be cancelled.
Both, one, or neither of the following things may be true about Taylor Richards:
1) He is a massive pisstaker
2) He is suffering a mental health issue.
The truth is very few people if any other than Taylor Richards know this, and almost everyone settling on a firm opinion in this forum have made their mind up without the full details. Me included.
With the above in mind we should treat it in the most pragmatic way we can. As Dorse said, if 45 min minutes of a friendly gets him out the door then do it.
No one is calling for his full inclusion from what I can see. I don't see why posters need to receive any ire about it. |  | | |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 20:30 - Jul 7 with 2357 views | colinallcars |
I'll admit I've slagged him off as much as most fans.
So many unknowns:
Did all this start before the friend was killed
Is he under medical supervision and maybe having pharmacological treatment
and/or CBT
What about the online pics of him clubbing & shopping |  | | |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 21:34 - Jul 7 with 2126 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 20:30 - Jul 7 by colinallcars |
I'll admit I've slagged him off as much as most fans.
So many unknowns:
Did all this start before the friend was killed
Is he under medical supervision and maybe having pharmacological treatment
and/or CBT
What about the online pics of him clubbing & shopping |
'What about the online pics of him clubbing & shopping?'
A laboured comparison but here is Robin Williams clubbing and shopping.
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| Taylor Richards finally going? on 22:00 - Jul 7 with 2040 views | DieByYourSide |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 19:58 - Jul 7 by Superhoops2808 |
Just maybe they are respecting the players wishes and not disclosing it |
As I said, it's not necessarily black and white but if it's a mental health issue you'd have thought they might've said *something*. Even if it was as vague as an allusion to the club supporting him through some personal issues with a view to being available for selection again in the future.
I'm sure the details will emerge one day, will stop speculating on it now. [Post edited 7 Jul 22:01]
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| Taylor Richards finally going? on 22:26 - Jul 7 with 1929 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 22:00 - Jul 7 by DieByYourSide |
As I said, it's not necessarily black and white but if it's a mental health issue you'd have thought they might've said *something*. Even if it was as vague as an allusion to the club supporting him through some personal issues with a view to being available for selection again in the future.
I'm sure the details will emerge one day, will stop speculating on it now. [Post edited 7 Jul 22:01]
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They did to be fair. Not a cut and dry statement but mentioned 'personal grief'.
A complex issue that's for sure. Either way I think he's done here.
https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/richards-i-want-to-help-this-team-massively [Post edited 7 Jul 22:28]
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| Taylor Richards finally going? on 23:10 - Jul 7 with 1762 views | 1BobbyHazell |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 22:00 - Jul 7 by DieByYourSide |
As I said, it's not necessarily black and white but if it's a mental health issue you'd have thought they might've said *something*. Even if it was as vague as an allusion to the club supporting him through some personal issues with a view to being available for selection again in the future.
I'm sure the details will emerge one day, will stop speculating on it now. [Post edited 7 Jul 22:01]
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Mental Health is obviously a very broad term.
But I will say that you would expect the club to have a fairly decent, professional led view of his mental health over the last 3 years. Their knowing he was particularly fragile (so much so that he couldn't face playing football) but then deciding to send him to Cambridge to play football in a new, unfamiliar, likely to be unsupportive environment would be incredibly negligent, plain wrong in fact in these modern times of greatly increased awareness and understanding of mental health issues.
To then quite literally refuse to take him back knowing he was so fragile that he couldn't contribute to Cambridge at all would indicate the club are extremely cruel OR didn't think Richards was especially vulnerable. Marti never seemed too impressed.
It is most definitely not how a person considered a suicide risk would be treated.
Bazza your posting pictures of Robin Williams are a very poor show and utterly incomparable.
I think we all agree none of us know the true details. I genuinely wish him well in life and hope if there is unresolved trauma still dominating his life he finds a way to heal. As a QPR fan I think it's time to move on. |  | | |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 07:44 - Jul 8 with 1220 views | gazza1 |
Does anybody on this MB, actually, know what the issues are why he is not playing or not available?? - No guesses, no opinions but facts!!! Is it a mental issue, personal problems, an attitude problem, Managers/Coaches do not think he is not good enough, what is the problem??
What we do know is that he has not been selected and he has been loaned out and that appeared not to go very well. We also know, and it is my opinion, that the lad has got some ability & talent (seen it when he plays) and if he 'gets it together' he could be an asset to the Club.
I am willing to give him a chance with the new Manager and see how it goes. | | | |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 07:48 - Jul 8 with 1207 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 23:10 - Jul 7 by 1BobbyHazell |
Mental Health is obviously a very broad term.
But I will say that you would expect the club to have a fairly decent, professional led view of his mental health over the last 3 years. Their knowing he was particularly fragile (so much so that he couldn't face playing football) but then deciding to send him to Cambridge to play football in a new, unfamiliar, likely to be unsupportive environment would be incredibly negligent, plain wrong in fact in these modern times of greatly increased awareness and understanding of mental health issues.
To then quite literally refuse to take him back knowing he was so fragile that he couldn't contribute to Cambridge at all would indicate the club are extremely cruel OR didn't think Richards was especially vulnerable. Marti never seemed too impressed.
It is most definitely not how a person considered a suicide risk would be treated.
Bazza your posting pictures of Robin Williams are a very poor show and utterly incomparable.
I think we all agree none of us know the true details. I genuinely wish him well in life and hope if there is unresolved trauma still dominating his life he finds a way to heal. As a QPR fan I think it's time to move on. |
My take on Barry's pics is different.
In responding to suggestions that TR is ok because he's pictured out shopping and clubbing may still mask a plethora of issues going on in the dark recesses of his mind. As in, here's RW doing the same and look what happened to him kind of way.
I'm sure Barry can clarify as to whose interpretation is nearer to his thinking.
On a more mercenary note: were any of these alleged/perceived mental frailties remotely evident before we signed him? And if so, why did we proceed? I guess the next question would be: has QPR learned how to better identify such issues so as to avoid signing or know what steps need to be taken to manage the player's issue(s)? [Post edited 8 Jul 7:50]
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| Taylor Richards finally going? on 09:09 - Jul 8 with 992 views | Rangersw12 |
Fingers crossed there is a club stupid enough to take him off our hands for the final 12 months of his deal .
Anyone who wants him back in the team are probably the same people who cheered Barton at the Sheffield Wednesday game | | | |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 09:25 - Jul 8 with 882 views | hamptonhillhoop |
They problem is, that article was over two years ago, and nothing has changed in the meantime |  | | |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 09:26 - Jul 8 with 877 views | stantheman10 |
I know the Taylor Richards situation is frustrating to everyone but a lot of people on here should really shut up about the mental health issues unless they know the truth about his condition or whether he's been 'playing' the club. My best mate is bi-polar and if you met him on his good days you would think he's the funniest bloke you'd met but if you saw him in his bad times curled up in a ball crying his eyes out and threatening alsorts then you wouldn't recognise him. I also suffer with mild depression and when that's at it's worst the last thing I want to do is mix with people let alone play football. So unless you know Taylor Richards personally andf know he's faking it all then have a little respect | | | |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 09:30 - Jul 8 with 847 views | francisbowles |
| Taylor Richards finally going? on 09:09 - Jul 8 by Rangersw12 |
Fingers crossed there is a club stupid enough to take him off our hands for the final 12 months of his deal .
Anyone who wants him back in the team are probably the same people who cheered Barton at the Sheffield Wednesday game |
Can't agree with your last statement.
Barton is in a completely different class to Richards. A twice convicted criminal and known trouble maker with a violent temper.
Whatever Richards problems are or have been, as far as we know, there is none of the above in his behaviour. | | | |
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