| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... 22:39 - Oct 4 with 5725 views | bosh67 |
After the Watford and Coventry defeats we were all wondering whether he was already out of his depth?
Six matches further along he's unbeaten, almost nullified the goal difference, got us in the top six and 'generally' making very good in match decisions and proving himself to be a speed learner in this division. Of course we are going to lose matches, possibly a few or so in a row but I actually believe that this guy will work out how to deal with defeats again very quickly. Quicker than his predecessors.
Je pense que nous avons une bonne affaire ici! [Post edited 4 Oct 22:39]
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| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 22:43 - Oct 4 with 3812 views | Lblock |
Yep.
Long way to go but he’s saying all the right things (albeit in a Pink Panther comedy type way to listen to).
I’m on board |  |
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| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 22:49 - Oct 4 with 3744 views | qpr_1968 |
yes.... more goals, and we'll be up there with coventry..... |  |
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| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 22:54 - Oct 4 with 3694 views | Myke |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 22:43 - Oct 4 by Lblock |
Yep.
Long way to go but he’s saying all the right things (albeit in a Pink Panther comedy type way to listen to).
I’m on board |
Had huge reservations at the time of his appointment and felt if we had been patient we could have landed Rohl. Didn't think he would be here by now (2nd International break). Very happy to be proved wrong. There have been faux pas (Plymouth, playing out from the back) but as said above, he is a quick learner and is proactive, when needed. We have some very tough games ahead, but it is very QPR to do well against the good team and struggle with the weak ones. Very much liking what the man is doing so far - 35 more points should do it. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 22:55 - Oct 4 with 3688 views | ThGrimRanger |
recruitment, recruitment, recruitment (players and managers)
i’m fascinated by posters on LFW that defend LF as DoF to the hilt during his 8 years with a big championship budget being the same ones who criticise Nourry and his small championship budget |  |
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| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 23:12 - Oct 4 with 3528 views | sdm1508 |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 22:55 - Oct 4 by ThGrimRanger |
recruitment, recruitment, recruitment (players and managers)
i’m fascinated by posters on LFW that defend LF as DoF to the hilt during his 8 years with a big championship budget being the same ones who criticise Nourry and his small championship budget |
Bug Championship budget? Are you sure? He spent his time having to lower are salary outgoings due to previous over spend. One season we spent £60k on transfers. Not exactly a big budget? Now I accept that Les was learning on the job and some of his things didn't work and some did. However saying big budget is just wrong | | | |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 23:17 - Oct 4 with 3493 views | ChrisNW6 |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 22:55 - Oct 4 by ThGrimRanger |
recruitment, recruitment, recruitment (players and managers)
i’m fascinated by posters on LFW that defend LF as DoF to the hilt during his 8 years with a big championship budget being the same ones who criticise Nourry and his small championship budget |
Horses for courses, I fully backed Les and now I'm backing Christian Nourry. He's proving to be an astute business man, but Les had the club's best interest at heart and I don't get the need to compare, we finally seem to be a much better run club, but Les didn't get us relegated and fulfilled his remit. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 00:22 - Oct 5 with 3257 views | Hunterhoop |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 22:43 - Oct 4 by Lblock |
Yep.
Long way to go but he’s saying all the right things (albeit in a Pink Panther comedy type way to listen to).
I’m on board |
He seized control after the Coventry debacle, we’re doing things “his way”, and we’re seeing something close to his Strasbourg set up…and quite different to our previous game model.
And we’re a lot better for it. Fair play to him. Doing a great job. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 00:40 - Oct 5 with 3193 views | Logman |
I think he's doing well during the games, generally keeping us on the front foot when necessary. However, he does have a lot more to play with. Having a couple of strikers with pace and drive and 4 or more game changers on the bench gives him a lot more options. | | | |
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| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 01:16 - Oct 5 with 3083 views | EN_Ranger |
I was there today and was moaning that he didn’t make changes earlier…
He then won the game with his sub timings to prove why he’s the manager and I’m not
He’s doing a great job | | | |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 07:10 - Oct 5 with 2767 views | TGRRRSSS |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 00:22 - Oct 5 by Hunterhoop |
He seized control after the Coventry debacle, we’re doing things “his way”, and we’re seeing something close to his Strasbourg set up…and quite different to our previous game model.
And we’re a lot better for it. Fair play to him. Doing a great job. |
I think it looks like he did take control which I also seriously concerned about following Coventry. Really what has happened since is extraordinary.
Fair play long way to go but nevertheless less credit where its due |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 07:32 - Oct 5 with 2682 views | dmm |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 07:10 - Oct 5 by TGRRRSSS |
I think it looks like he did take control which I also seriously concerned about following Coventry. Really what has happened since is extraordinary.
Fair play long way to go but nevertheless less credit where its due |
It appears that Nourry has learned his lesson and relaxed his game model policy much quicker than last season. Or perhaps he had no choice after Coventry. Nonetheless, if that's the case, my misgivings about him may start to reduce.
But the real praise belongs to Stephan for a quite startling turnaround. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 07:50 - Oct 5 with 2587 views | nix |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 07:32 - Oct 5 by dmm |
It appears that Nourry has learned his lesson and relaxed his game model policy much quicker than last season. Or perhaps he had no choice after Coventry. Nonetheless, if that's the case, my misgivings about him may start to reduce.
But the real praise belongs to Stephan for a quite startling turnaround. |
Or maybe the game 'model' was never as rigid as has been suggested and has been adapted for/by the new manager, first team squad and changing coaching styles recently.
It makes sense to me to have some kind of style of play across the levels so it's easier to slot in to the next level as you move through. The important thing is that:
a) it's not too rigidly imposed
b) it comes in agreement with/driven by the first team coach and his team.
Given that Stephan has adapted his style very quickly this seems a logical conclusion. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 07:55 - Oct 5 with 2539 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Love Stèphan. Has the team playing to its strengths and his in game management is top notch with his subs usually making a big impact.
Only disappointed that both Morgan and Kolli have disappeared in terms of appearances, but Stèphan has experience in bringing youngsters through so fingers crossed.
His man management skills are going to be tested once everyone is back and fit (yes, I know). There are going to be some very good players benched or not make the match day squad at all. | |
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| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 08:23 - Oct 5 with 2349 views | priceyparkrangers |
Very impressive start so far. 9/10.
He’s shown he learns very quickly, is very decisive, makes good choices that change games.
Just needs to learn how to structure the team to win the games where we are the favourites.
He’s made changes I don’t think 99% of us would have made like dropping Field for Madsen and it’s working. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 08:23 - Oct 5 with 2346 views | Myke |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 07:55 - Oct 5 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Love Stèphan. Has the team playing to its strengths and his in game management is top notch with his subs usually making a big impact.
Only disappointed that both Morgan and Kolli have disappeared in terms of appearances, but Stèphan has experience in bringing youngsters through so fingers crossed.
His man management skills are going to be tested once everyone is back and fit (yes, I know). There are going to be some very good players benched or not make the match day squad at all. |
You could argue that he is already doing that with Field, and (earlier) Cook, both of whom I thought would be on the team sheet week in week out. I don't think we will ever have 'fully fit squad' to choose from. Most clubs don't in the modern era to be fair. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 08:30 - Oct 5 with 2305 views | stevec |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 07:50 - Oct 5 by nix |
Or maybe the game 'model' was never as rigid as has been suggested and has been adapted for/by the new manager, first team squad and changing coaching styles recently.
It makes sense to me to have some kind of style of play across the levels so it's easier to slot in to the next level as you move through. The important thing is that:
a) it's not too rigidly imposed
b) it comes in agreement with/driven by the first team coach and his team.
Given that Stephan has adapted his style very quickly this seems a logical conclusion. |
Think you’re right.
To my shame I eventually started to fall for that spiel that was prevalent on here, what now appears to have been a load of old bollocks, and questioned whether perhaps Marti had been some victim of uncontrollable pressure from above.
Consequently judged that JS was of a softer personality and was destined to a very short future here.
A life lesson here, one I thought I’d mastered by now. Always trust your own instincts. |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 08:43 - Oct 5 with 2238 views | Hunterhoop |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 07:50 - Oct 5 by nix |
Or maybe the game 'model' was never as rigid as has been suggested and has been adapted for/by the new manager, first team squad and changing coaching styles recently.
It makes sense to me to have some kind of style of play across the levels so it's easier to slot in to the next level as you move through. The important thing is that:
a) it's not too rigidly imposed
b) it comes in agreement with/driven by the first team coach and his team.
Given that Stephan has adapted his style very quickly this seems a logical conclusion. |
He definitely took control firmly after the Coventry game. Before then he was following the game model. And since then, he/we are not (when it comes to first team). I have no doubt the game model is still very relevant for the player trading activity.
The 7-1 gave him the ability/power/justification to make significant changes to the way we set up, and play out. He could hardly be challenged on that after such a result. He has then delivered results and we’re rolling with the Stephan way.
It wasn’t the case that up to then the game model was loose and he was controlling it. He was following it. Now he is not. There were lots of people at Heston who heard him talk about how it would be “his way” after Coventry…
I’m glad he had the balls to do that. The 7-1 might turn out to be a blessing in disguise.
Edit: I should add, I think it is encouraging and shows a new maturity that Nourry allowed him to change things (hopefully empowered him). However, it would have been hard to argue to stick with it as it was, but still, encouraging. I’m not sure what this means for De Souza though… [Post edited 5 Oct 8:58]
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| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 08:54 - Oct 5 with 2174 views | nix |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 08:30 - Oct 5 by stevec |
Think you’re right.
To my shame I eventually started to fall for that spiel that was prevalent on here, what now appears to have been a load of old bollocks, and questioned whether perhaps Marti had been some victim of uncontrollable pressure from above.
Consequently judged that JS was of a softer personality and was destined to a very short future here.
A life lesson here, one I thought I’d mastered by now. Always trust your own instincts. |
In fairness I do think people had legitimate concerns and still do. Some of which have been partially addressed and some are still up for longer term assessment.
My point always was that the positives were being underplayed and inferences were being made that stretched the known facts. Also putting people in camps and not giving the new manager a chance.
Things are currently going pretty well but we have a very long way to go. I'm loving where we are right now but am aware we're only a few narrow losses from meltdown. I get that too given that we're a battered and bruised fanbase who have had a torrid few seasons.
But f@ck me we deserved yesterday's joy. | | | |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 09:00 - Oct 5 with 2122 views | Tonto |
I was Very worriwd after Coventry. And if you weren't can you please inform me which medication you are on as I'd like to take some too.
Credit where its due, he has turned things around.
I think our squad is a big improvement on last year as well though. The players he can bring off the bench can change things, can shore up the mdifield, can provide some pace and or power.
So again credit where its due.
We will never know what would have happenwd if Marti stayed on. I still wish it hadnt ended, but Julian has done pretty well. But as he says. We need to stay humble |  |
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| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 09:08 - Oct 5 with 2077 views | QPsyR |
He seems sound and doing a good job since he stamped his authority on the proceedings,
The second bit Nah not even venables  | |
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| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 09:25 - Oct 5 with 1954 views | londonscottish |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 08:43 - Oct 5 by Hunterhoop |
He definitely took control firmly after the Coventry game. Before then he was following the game model. And since then, he/we are not (when it comes to first team). I have no doubt the game model is still very relevant for the player trading activity.
The 7-1 gave him the ability/power/justification to make significant changes to the way we set up, and play out. He could hardly be challenged on that after such a result. He has then delivered results and we’re rolling with the Stephan way.
It wasn’t the case that up to then the game model was loose and he was controlling it. He was following it. Now he is not. There were lots of people at Heston who heard him talk about how it would be “his way” after Coventry…
I’m glad he had the balls to do that. The 7-1 might turn out to be a blessing in disguise.
Edit: I should add, I think it is encouraging and shows a new maturity that Nourry allowed him to change things (hopefully empowered him). However, it would have been hard to argue to stick with it as it was, but still, encouraging. I’m not sure what this means for De Souza though… [Post edited 5 Oct 8:58]
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I've heard very similar things.
If so, props to Nourry for relaxing his iron grip on that part of the set up.
And also for sorting out recruitment, scouting, the dev squad etc. [Post edited 5 Oct 9:26]
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| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 09:39 - Oct 5 with 1846 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Fair play to him. Thought he was in trouble after Coventry because of the backseat driver but he's really shown he is his own man since then. P6 W4 D2 L0 - how many times have we been on a run like that in recent years? Bravo! | | | |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 09:45 - Oct 5 with 1822 views | mart_Goblin |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 08:43 - Oct 5 by Hunterhoop |
He definitely took control firmly after the Coventry game. Before then he was following the game model. And since then, he/we are not (when it comes to first team). I have no doubt the game model is still very relevant for the player trading activity.
The 7-1 gave him the ability/power/justification to make significant changes to the way we set up, and play out. He could hardly be challenged on that after such a result. He has then delivered results and we’re rolling with the Stephan way.
It wasn’t the case that up to then the game model was loose and he was controlling it. He was following it. Now he is not. There were lots of people at Heston who heard him talk about how it would be “his way” after Coventry…
I’m glad he had the balls to do that. The 7-1 might turn out to be a blessing in disguise.
Edit: I should add, I think it is encouraging and shows a new maturity that Nourry allowed him to change things (hopefully empowered him). However, it would have been hard to argue to stick with it as it was, but still, encouraging. I’m not sure what this means for De Souza though… [Post edited 5 Oct 8:58]
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I’ve asked that question on here 3 or 4 times without any sort of reply.
What now for De Souza ?
You don’t have a head of Methodology unless it is rigid and set throughout the club, which it was .
You only have to take 1 look at the EDS squad last season to see how we just looked identical to the 1st team with and without possession.
So either JDS is now ploughing on with the methodology whilst the 1st team plays a different way ….for now and will return to the game plan once we have cemented ourselves in the division , which is unlikely, or they have put in place a new ‘method’ which every team in the club is starting to adapt too.
If it’s the second option then you have to credit the club for being flexible and moving with footballing trends .
You can’t have a Head of Methodology and let the head coach completely dictate how we play .
JS has no doubt taken control and is showing what a great coach he is .
In my opinion the club had no choice but to go with him , because if they didn’t and he walked ,claiming he can’t work in this set up , it was the death knell for CN and his ‘model’.
It appears that the club have moved forward and well done to them for that .
We were strangling our self with our own restrictions on how we played with this set of players and have been , albeit with slightly different personnel for 2 or 3 years.
It doesn’t matter how, but it’s been realised and changed .
Well done for seeing it and adapting and hopefully having the humility to realise when things are wrong .
If that’s the case then hats off to CN and all those who took a step back to allow it to happen . |  | | |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 09:58 - Oct 5 with 1745 views | Dorse |
Nourry didn't make those substitutions or score those goals. But without him doing his job, those that did would've struggled. It's a team game, on and off the field. Right now, it's working more effectively than previously and I'm happy to see it! I don't know who does what - I'm a punter, same as everyone else - but it takes time yo get things right. Maybe this current spell is the result of the right people taking the time to reflect and address the problems we all saw leading to the Coventry defeat?
I like the adage 'don't fix the blame, fix the problem.' |  |
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| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 10:03 - Oct 5 with 1704 views | SW_Ranger |
| Julien Stéphan, I mean, come on... on 09:45 - Oct 5 by mart_Goblin |
I’ve asked that question on here 3 or 4 times without any sort of reply.
What now for De Souza ?
You don’t have a head of Methodology unless it is rigid and set throughout the club, which it was .
You only have to take 1 look at the EDS squad last season to see how we just looked identical to the 1st team with and without possession.
So either JDS is now ploughing on with the methodology whilst the 1st team plays a different way ….for now and will return to the game plan once we have cemented ourselves in the division , which is unlikely, or they have put in place a new ‘method’ which every team in the club is starting to adapt too.
If it’s the second option then you have to credit the club for being flexible and moving with footballing trends .
You can’t have a Head of Methodology and let the head coach completely dictate how we play .
JS has no doubt taken control and is showing what a great coach he is .
In my opinion the club had no choice but to go with him , because if they didn’t and he walked ,claiming he can’t work in this set up , it was the death knell for CN and his ‘model’.
It appears that the club have moved forward and well done to them for that .
We were strangling our self with our own restrictions on how we played with this set of players and have been , albeit with slightly different personnel for 2 or 3 years.
It doesn’t matter how, but it’s been realised and changed .
Well done for seeing it and adapting and hopefully having the humility to realise when things are wrong .
If that’s the case then hats off to CN and all those who took a step back to allow it to happen . |
I would, if I was Nourry, expect De Souza to be watching on in awe at what us happening in team briefings, coaching sessions and talk in with JS to hone the ‘model’. Nobody works only between tight parallel lines it’s far too restricting and will lead to certain failure. You adapt and use the wins to tweak the model and build.
The new players are brought in now, they were still selected on the ‘model’ just being played slightly differently.
I also can’t help wondering if Hoos stepped in and suggested to CN that he retreat to his office after Coventry and let JS do his job his way. Whatever happened it’s worked and JS has got his squad moving in the right direction; and by no means fulfilling its total potential yet as we can be better. |  | | |
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