| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 23:51 - May 19 with 3448 views | JamesB1979 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 23:48 - May 19 by Hunterhoop |
Some of us predicted this course of events months ago.
Hoos and Nourry have wanted him out for a while. They were bold enough to push him. They have now made a rod for their backs and we all need to hope things start very well for the new guy otherwise it’ll all get very toxic quite quickly. |
Yes but you’ve also said Nourry hasn’t done one single good thing since he got here. Which I think is slightly unbalanced. |  | |  |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 00:01 - May 20 with 3393 views | Hunterhoop |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 23:51 - May 19 by JamesB1979 |
Yes but you’ve also said Nourry hasn’t done one single good thing since he got here. Which I think is slightly unbalanced. |
That isn’t true though. I said if he can win over the council, that is great. I’ve praised some of the signings. I agreed it was time to move on some of the legacy people in the academy set up. And I have welcomed some of the contract renewals under his watch.
But yes, overall, I don’t trust him, don’t think he displays any leadership traits, think he has outright lied to the fanbase since being in post, think he misled everyone about his career background to get the role, know he does business in a manner lacking integrity, think he is in it for himself and is ultimately a narcissist now concocting a social media agenda to manipulate fans similar to that which Paladini attempted.
That doesn’t mean he won’t be successful, mind. If the club succeeds under his watch, I’ll hold my nose and very much welcome it. But I am worried. I am concerned. That is allowed, isn’t it? |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 00:09 - May 20 with 3361 views | JamesB1979 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 00:01 - May 20 by Hunterhoop |
That isn’t true though. I said if he can win over the council, that is great. I’ve praised some of the signings. I agreed it was time to move on some of the legacy people in the academy set up. And I have welcomed some of the contract renewals under his watch.
But yes, overall, I don’t trust him, don’t think he displays any leadership traits, think he has outright lied to the fanbase since being in post, think he misled everyone about his career background to get the role, know he does business in a manner lacking integrity, think he is in it for himself and is ultimately a narcissist now concocting a social media agenda to manipulate fans similar to that which Paladini attempted.
That doesn’t mean he won’t be successful, mind. If the club succeeds under his watch, I’ll hold my nose and very much welcome it. But I am worried. I am concerned. That is allowed, isn’t it? |
I have concerns too. I think this ex Norwich guy will be a terrible appointment. I don’t trust Nourry, but I do think they are making decisions that they believe are for long term benefit of the club. Whether that turns out good for us and the club, we’ll find out next season I guess. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 00:39 - May 20 with 3275 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 23:48 - May 19 by Hunterhoop |
Some of us predicted this course of events months ago.
Hoos and Nourry have wanted him out for a while. They were bold enough to push him. They have now made a rod for their backs and we all need to hope things start very well for the new guy otherwise it’ll all get very toxic quite quickly. |
Can you expand on your point Hunterhoop please that Hoos and Nourry wanted Marti out and dropped the ax before the final game of the season.
Why did they want him gone when nearly 100% of the fanbase loved him despite our miserable losing streaks .
There is a massive disconnect somewhere ,was Marti just not good enough or was it the squad that was well below par both years he was in charge.
Does anybody know if Calm has left yet its a bit overwhelming to have no information .Thanks |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 06:39 - May 20 with 2975 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 22:37 - May 19 by Gus_iom |
Well, he seems quite leaky anyway, if you believe what someone has been posting on this forum, and I do.
I would go as far as to say that alone made his position pretty untenable. It may well have been a play against Nourry, we may well be in a better position if that play had worked, but.... |
Yeah, he’s not handled it great. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 07:08 - May 20 with 2866 views | HammersmithR |
I had heard from multiple people towards the end of the season that Nourry and Hoos wanted Marti gone. Nourry (allegedly) was very open about how he hated the relationship that Marti had with the fans. They couldn’t understand it. There’s 2 sides to every story but once this all dies down I think all fans deserve to hear from Nourry why the relationship between Marti and the board had clearly broken down. On the whole we did pretty well given our injury situation and some of the poor players we signed. We have a big summer ahead and if we don’t get it right it’s going to be another season hovering around relegation which simply cannot be the ambition for the 10th year in a row. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 07:25 - May 20 with 2772 views | daveB |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 00:39 - May 20 by CLAREMAN1995 |
Can you expand on your point Hunterhoop please that Hoos and Nourry wanted Marti out and dropped the ax before the final game of the season.
Why did they want him gone when nearly 100% of the fanbase loved him despite our miserable losing streaks .
There is a massive disconnect somewhere ,was Marti just not good enough or was it the squad that was well below par both years he was in charge.
Does anybody know if Calm has left yet its a bit overwhelming to have no information .Thanks |
A big part of the problem was the medical stuff. Marti was fuming about it and wanted to bring his own people in, Hoos and Nourry felt he was exagartting it and the injuries were not that bad. They had a similar difference of opinion over signings and had just basically fallen out |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 07:30 - May 20 with 2744 views | Rsole |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 07:08 - May 20 by HammersmithR |
I had heard from multiple people towards the end of the season that Nourry and Hoos wanted Marti gone. Nourry (allegedly) was very open about how he hated the relationship that Marti had with the fans. They couldn’t understand it. There’s 2 sides to every story but once this all dies down I think all fans deserve to hear from Nourry why the relationship between Marti and the board had clearly broken down. On the whole we did pretty well given our injury situation and some of the poor players we signed. We have a big summer ahead and if we don’t get it right it’s going to be another season hovering around relegation which simply cannot be the ambition for the 10th year in a row. |
Regardless of a new coach arriving, it’s going to be the same people doing the recruitment again this summer so I would expect the same mixed results and outcome of battling it out. Groundhog Day - same decisions/situation, but club expecting different outcomes = madness.
The one transaction that might change it would be the possible sale of Eze, as any sell-on clause would impact the potential profile of signings from mostly free to sometimes paid for.
Still not convinced that we know how to spend the money wisely but if 2 or 3 become sellable assets, then Nourry will be considered to be relatively successful in the transfer business, which I assume is one of his main KPIs. You would also (safely) assume that’s at the top of his personal priority/credibility list so he can take that with him in his PowerPoint deck when he leaves.
The best news would be the hiring of a decent DoF that knows their stuff and has the final say on recruitment. That has the most potential for a positive impact but it feels highly unlikely as it takes away Nourry’s weighted comfort blanket.
However, if that’s an option for the owners (hint, hint guys), we could do worse than hire a DoF and Coach that have experience of working together successfully before - Warburton and Eustace for example. Not advocating those two specifically but it would help fix the selection conflicts we have seen previously. |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:06 - May 20 with 2547 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 07:30 - May 20 by Rsole |
Regardless of a new coach arriving, it’s going to be the same people doing the recruitment again this summer so I would expect the same mixed results and outcome of battling it out. Groundhog Day - same decisions/situation, but club expecting different outcomes = madness.
The one transaction that might change it would be the possible sale of Eze, as any sell-on clause would impact the potential profile of signings from mostly free to sometimes paid for.
Still not convinced that we know how to spend the money wisely but if 2 or 3 become sellable assets, then Nourry will be considered to be relatively successful in the transfer business, which I assume is one of his main KPIs. You would also (safely) assume that’s at the top of his personal priority/credibility list so he can take that with him in his PowerPoint deck when he leaves.
The best news would be the hiring of a decent DoF that knows their stuff and has the final say on recruitment. That has the most potential for a positive impact but it feels highly unlikely as it takes away Nourry’s weighted comfort blanket.
However, if that’s an option for the owners (hint, hint guys), we could do worse than hire a DoF and Coach that have experience of working together successfully before - Warburton and Eustace for example. Not advocating those two specifically but it would help fix the selection conflicts we have seen previously. |
100%. Nourry should not be DoF. A few years ago he was more interested in the social media experiences of Gen Z than reserve team left-backs in Montenegro. It is batshit crazy that he is in charge of all football operations. If they wanted to give him something, then CEO being mentored by Hoos is at least feasible as CEOs can move between industries. But how on earth we have a 27-year-old history graduate in charge of football operations defies belief. Come on, it's incomprehensible. [Post edited 20 May 8:09]
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread (n/t) on 08:45 - May 20 with 2451 views | mart_Goblin |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:06 - May 20 by Wegerles_Stairs |
100%. Nourry should not be DoF. A few years ago he was more interested in the social media experiences of Gen Z than reserve team left-backs in Montenegro. It is batshit crazy that he is in charge of all football operations. If they wanted to give him something, then CEO being mentored by Hoos is at least feasible as CEOs can move between industries. But how on earth we have a 27-year-old history graduate in charge of football operations defies belief. Come on, it's incomprehensible. [Post edited 20 May 8:09]
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:45 - May 20 with 2448 views | wombat |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 07:25 - May 20 by daveB |
A big part of the problem was the medical stuff. Marti was fuming about it and wanted to bring his own people in, Hoos and Nourry felt he was exagartting it and the injuries were not that bad. They had a similar difference of opinion over signings and had just basically fallen out |
not sure how they can say hes being dramatic with the inury problems , we barely had a striker fit for the lst 3 momths of the season. before that no fit centre backs how can that be exagerating ? as others have said , how nourry has landed both jobs beggars belief, zero experience in running any sort of company let alone one containing 150 people .
i work in recruitment and if a client asks for somebody a cv has to include at least some of the clients skill set requests. id love to see nourries CV , If it is more than two pages id be amazed .
remmeber its we documentened that nourry/hoos wanted him out at the stoke game and ruben stepped in and said back off . |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:52 - May 20 with 2394 views | GaryBannister86 |
Anyone else watch those pieces on Steve Parish and Crystal Palace and think - there's a proper owner of a football club? Easy to say after they have won the cup, but that isn't really the point. Nor the fact that Ruben is probably a hundred times richer than Parish.
It seems that Parish's main job in life, having made his fortune selling his agency, is to own and run Crystal Palace. He's there, he's in amongst it, he knows what is going on. I can't remember the last time we had an owner like that. I would forgive many a mistake by any owner if they were going to the club every day and sitting in their owner's office and making sure things were being run properly to the best of their ability. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:56 - May 20 with 2362 views | lassel |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:06 - May 20 by Wegerles_Stairs |
100%. Nourry should not be DoF. A few years ago he was more interested in the social media experiences of Gen Z than reserve team left-backs in Montenegro. It is batshit crazy that he is in charge of all football operations. If they wanted to give him something, then CEO being mentored by Hoos is at least feasible as CEOs can move between industries. But how on earth we have a 27-year-old history graduate in charge of football operations defies belief. Come on, it's incomprehensible. [Post edited 20 May 8:09]
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In fairness, Hoos *is* still running the show day to day. He was getting abused in the street and people were posting videos outside his home online (mental and completely unacceptable) so he understandably was sick of it. ‘Retiring’ to chairman worked for everyone. He is still leading strategy, still at every game home and away but can play a bit more tennis now and let the willing and eager Nourry take the heat. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:26 - May 20 with 2222 views | TheChef |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 22:05 - May 19 by Hunterhoop |
Not entirely true. A contract of employment is a contract between two parties: the employer and employee. Clauses in there put obligations on both parties. An employer is also bound by employment law, which is all designed to protect the employee. To terminate an employee’s employment in a way that contravenes employment law requires a settlement agreement, which means paying more than the notice. Speaking (just speaking) to other employers is not, to my knowledge, a breach of any employment contract, because it would be against employment law to prevent it, I believe. |
Correct on that last point.
Had a job years ago where my employers found out I was looking for another job. They fired me, I threatened legal action, we settled. |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:27 - May 20 with 2214 views | Hunterhoop |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:56 - May 20 by lassel |
In fairness, Hoos *is* still running the show day to day. He was getting abused in the street and people were posting videos outside his home online (mental and completely unacceptable) so he understandably was sick of it. ‘Retiring’ to chairman worked for everyone. He is still leading strategy, still at every game home and away but can play a bit more tennis now and let the willing and eager Nourry take the heat. |
Quite. He is still clearly very involved, and effectively mentoring Nourry. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:27 - May 20 with 2214 views | stantheman10 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:52 - May 20 by GaryBannister86 |
Anyone else watch those pieces on Steve Parish and Crystal Palace and think - there's a proper owner of a football club? Easy to say after they have won the cup, but that isn't really the point. Nor the fact that Ruben is probably a hundred times richer than Parish.
It seems that Parish's main job in life, having made his fortune selling his agency, is to own and run Crystal Palace. He's there, he's in amongst it, he knows what is going on. I can't remember the last time we had an owner like that. I would forgive many a mistake by any owner if they were going to the club every day and sitting in their owner's office and making sure things were being run properly to the best of their ability. |
Unless we find a QPR supporter rich enough to buy the club then someone doing the same as Parish is with Palace will never happen. Be thankful our owners are still willing to put their hand in their pocket each month to bail us out of the mess they've made. They could just throw us under a bus! | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:35 - May 20 with 2139 views | Hunterhoop |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:45 - May 20 by wombat |
not sure how they can say hes being dramatic with the inury problems , we barely had a striker fit for the lst 3 momths of the season. before that no fit centre backs how can that be exagerating ? as others have said , how nourry has landed both jobs beggars belief, zero experience in running any sort of company let alone one containing 150 people .
i work in recruitment and if a client asks for somebody a cv has to include at least some of the clients skill set requests. id love to see nourries CV , If it is more than two pages id be amazed .
remmeber its we documentened that nourry/hoos wanted him out at the stoke game and ruben stepped in and said back off . |
Nourry and Hoos are adamant that out injuries this season are only “mid table” for the league.
Nourry walked out of LR at one of the last home games repeating this message to fans.
Obviously, the question I’d love to be asked is: “how are your measuring that?” Number of games missed by squad players? Number of injuries overall? What about weighting the games missed to first teamers and back ups? And what about training sessions missed; it’s not only about games. Finally, where are you getting the data for the rest of the league from?
Without answers here, it’s just BS being flung around. We all follow the club closely. We know injuries have been bad this season. Perhaps not dreadful or the worst ever. But bad. And made worse by the quality and depth of the squad assembled. I still think Cifuentes did a remarkable job with it.
The club must resolve the Ben Williams issue. You cannot set standards, create a professional culture, and improve the fitness of the team with the Head of Fitness (Performance, fine) being based remote in Dubai. I cannot fathom how Nourry and Hoos cannot see this. It’s not about whether he can do his role from a laptop; it’s about perception, standards, and professionalism. That needs sorting almost as much as a new Head Coach; it’s that ridiculous in my book. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:36 - May 20 with 2131 views | Rsole |
I understand football is a fairly unique business but you wouldn’t find many tech companies who had a CEO also doing the CTO role. They are separated for good reason.
The CEO needs to cover many functions, mostly at a different level. The CTO focuses exclusively on the tech. The CFO on finance and so on.
The CEO shouldn’t be hiring programmers (or line managers) for the CTO, or looking at their contracts either. Ok, maybe you need the CEO to approve and release headcount funding but the decision to recruit should always fall to the subject matter expert.
With Nourry, the CEO is hiring the programmers and their line managers because no CTO exists but he has no expertise or experience in either job. He’s using data and analytics to hire resources that should be able to do the job - in theory. Looking for value in injured players because injuries = discounts or frees. The levels of injuries seem to be irrelevant - broken back ? No worries mate, fix you up in no time. Have no expertise in one specific position ? No problem, we love flexibility. Bit small ? We love midgets.
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:36 - May 20 with 2127 views | GaryBannister86 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:27 - May 20 by stantheman10 |
Unless we find a QPR supporter rich enough to buy the club then someone doing the same as Parish is with Palace will never happen. Be thankful our owners are still willing to put their hand in their pocket each month to bail us out of the mess they've made. They could just throw us under a bus! |
I am thankful, I don't dislike the owners at all. I get what you are saying, but I don't think Parish runs it like that because he is a Palace fan. More like he owns a business and he wants to be there to make sure it is run properly. Just feel like we've had a long line of owners with many, many more things on their plate and we could do with someone whose attention is on it at least 90% of the time.
I agree it won't happen though. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:42 - May 20 with 2096 views | Andybrat |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:45 - May 20 by wombat |
not sure how they can say hes being dramatic with the inury problems , we barely had a striker fit for the lst 3 momths of the season. before that no fit centre backs how can that be exagerating ? as others have said , how nourry has landed both jobs beggars belief, zero experience in running any sort of company let alone one containing 150 people .
i work in recruitment and if a client asks for somebody a cv has to include at least some of the clients skill set requests. id love to see nourries CV , If it is more than two pages id be amazed .
remmeber its we documentened that nourry/hoos wanted him out at the stoke game and ruben stepped in and said back off . |
With the injury crisis at the back, we seem to forget our young inexperienced CEO sanctioned the season defining loan in of Ronnie Edwards. 1st day of the window as well, not saying he’s perfect but not all bad. Lots of us at the cup final last week and some of the best performers signed under his watch. If we don’t perform next season he is bound to be under pressure as can’t blame anyone else. I have said this before I am a big Marti fan but really feel the squad strength is better than pre-Nourry. If JD and Koki signed, with Vale lined up and fit and somehow Ben Williams replaced locally ( or he comes back) we are an exciting project for a new coach. I feel I’m being balanced, we all know the best solution ( kiss and make up) but it ain’t gonna happen. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:59 - May 20 with 1952 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:42 - May 20 by Andybrat |
With the injury crisis at the back, we seem to forget our young inexperienced CEO sanctioned the season defining loan in of Ronnie Edwards. 1st day of the window as well, not saying he’s perfect but not all bad. Lots of us at the cup final last week and some of the best performers signed under his watch. If we don’t perform next season he is bound to be under pressure as can’t blame anyone else. I have said this before I am a big Marti fan but really feel the squad strength is better than pre-Nourry. If JD and Koki signed, with Vale lined up and fit and somehow Ben Williams replaced locally ( or he comes back) we are an exciting project for a new coach. I feel I’m being balanced, we all know the best solution ( kiss and make up) but it ain’t gonna happen. |
The worry for me is we appoint someone like the Norwich guy and have another crap start to the season. He won't have credit in the bank like Marti did last season and things could turn nasty very quickly. The next appointment is so important as we've generally had poor form since Warburton had us in the play-off picture at the start of 2022. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:03 - May 20 with 1924 views | SW_Ranger |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 07:08 - May 20 by HammersmithR |
I had heard from multiple people towards the end of the season that Nourry and Hoos wanted Marti gone. Nourry (allegedly) was very open about how he hated the relationship that Marti had with the fans. They couldn’t understand it. There’s 2 sides to every story but once this all dies down I think all fans deserve to hear from Nourry why the relationship between Marti and the board had clearly broken down. On the whole we did pretty well given our injury situation and some of the poor players we signed. We have a big summer ahead and if we don’t get it right it’s going to be another season hovering around relegation which simply cannot be the ambition for the 10th year in a row. |
Clearly Nourry and Martí fell out of love for one another. But I don’t see the benefit of either of them doing kiss and tell views on why it went sour. It went sour and we need to move and forwards really. I don’t care what happened, I’m interested, but I don’t really care now it’s done.
Yeh, the Ben Williams thing in Dubai hasn’t worked. But a bit of me says they tried something out of the box. It’s what they do with it now that will be interesting.
I just want a good capable manager in to take the next step. We do need to get more right than wrong.
I really would like to see a DoF in place. Warburton appeals to me if he can accept the brief and manage the challenge of board restrictions and manager needs diplomatically - we all know you can’t have everything and managing up/down is an art. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:08 - May 20 with 1857 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:03 - May 20 by SW_Ranger |
Clearly Nourry and Martí fell out of love for one another. But I don’t see the benefit of either of them doing kiss and tell views on why it went sour. It went sour and we need to move and forwards really. I don’t care what happened, I’m interested, but I don’t really care now it’s done.
Yeh, the Ben Williams thing in Dubai hasn’t worked. But a bit of me says they tried something out of the box. It’s what they do with it now that will be interesting.
I just want a good capable manager in to take the next step. We do need to get more right than wrong.
I really would like to see a DoF in place. Warburton appeals to me if he can accept the brief and manage the challenge of board restrictions and manager needs diplomatically - we all know you can’t have everything and managing up/down is an art. |
'I don’t see the benefit of either of them doing kiss and tell views on why it went sour'
I'll keep my eyes peeled on Winchester FC's social media then. That seems to be the most informed source nowadays. [Post edited 20 May 10:13]
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