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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:03 - May 20 by SW_Ranger
Clearly Nourry and Martí fell out of love for one another. But I don’t see the benefit of either of them doing kiss and tell views on why it went sour. It went sour and we need to move and forwards really. I don’t care what happened, I’m interested, but I don’t really care now it’s done.
Yeh, the Ben Williams thing in Dubai hasn’t worked. But a bit of me says they tried something out of the box. It’s what they do with it now that will be interesting.
I just want a good capable manager in to take the next step. We do need to get more right than wrong.
I really would like to see a DoF in place. Warburton appeals to me if he can accept the brief and manage the challenge of board restrictions and manager needs diplomatically - we all know you can’t have everything and managing up/down is an art.
Problem is we had a "good capable manager" and the CEO decided to put his ego above the club
I can't believe as a fanbase we are just allowing this stuff to happen
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:38 - May 20 with 4383 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:56 - May 20 by lassel
In fairness, Hoos *is* still running the show day to day. He was getting abused in the street and people were posting videos outside his home online (mental and completely unacceptable) so he understandably was sick of it. ‘Retiring’ to chairman worked for everyone. He is still leading strategy, still at every game home and away but can play a bit more tennis now and let the willing and eager Nourry take the heat.
Of course Hoos is still fully involved in the running of QPR and he has decades of experience in English football. The idea that the reigns were just fully handed over to Nourry to do as he wants was always farcical.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:38 - May 20 with 4387 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:48 - May 20 by GaryBannister86
Ha - I had forgotten that.
My point isn't really about success / great decisions though - it is about being present. Involved!
Shows the absolute paramount over-and-above everything else value of the right head coach appointment. (Working with a smart, experienced sporting director)
Dougie Freedman built that team, incredible recruitment, the best in the country alongside the three Bs - Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth - but he's off and really that should signal a tailspin for Palace and big problems for Parish.
Instead, because they hired the right coach, they may ride that departure out. Glasner has to be one of the best appointments, better than even Frank or Iraolo.
If QPR hire the right coach now, most fan angst disappears. But I think we're at least two hires away from being forced into that - we're at the Magilton stage of the hiring cycle. A lot probably still needs to go wrong for us to be forced to get it right.
Still seems mad to me that Steve Gallen is DOF at Millwall, out performing QPR on a smaller budget, signing really good players, and that Joe Gallen is running 1st team scouting and recruitment at Crystal Palace - again, signing really good players. Two lifelong QPR fans who worked in the game successfully for decades who should really be in charge of running the football side of QPR, but instead our galaxy brains have put all on a 28 year-old data kid in his first salaried job in pro football.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:53 - May 20 with 4282 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:52 - May 20 by GaryBannister86
Anyone else watch those pieces on Steve Parish and Crystal Palace and think - there's a proper owner of a football club? Easy to say after they have won the cup, but that isn't really the point. Nor the fact that Ruben is probably a hundred times richer than Parish.
It seems that Parish's main job in life, having made his fortune selling his agency, is to own and run Crystal Palace. He's there, he's in amongst it, he knows what is going on. I can't remember the last time we had an owner like that. I would forgive many a mistake by any owner if they were going to the club every day and sitting in their owner's office and making sure things were being run properly to the best of their ability.
was only 18 months ago fans were protesting against Parish, do agree with you though
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:55 - May 20 with 4271 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:38 - May 20 by TK1
Shows the absolute paramount over-and-above everything else value of the right head coach appointment. (Working with a smart, experienced sporting director)
Dougie Freedman built that team, incredible recruitment, the best in the country alongside the three Bs - Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth - but he's off and really that should signal a tailspin for Palace and big problems for Parish.
Instead, because they hired the right coach, they may ride that departure out. Glasner has to be one of the best appointments, better than even Frank or Iraolo.
If QPR hire the right coach now, most fan angst disappears. But I think we're at least two hires away from being forced into that - we're at the Magilton stage of the hiring cycle. A lot probably still needs to go wrong for us to be forced to get it right.
Still seems mad to me that Steve Gallen is DOF at Millwall, out performing QPR on a smaller budget, signing really good players, and that Joe Gallen is running 1st team scouting and recruitment at Crystal Palace - again, signing really good players. Two lifelong QPR fans who worked in the game successfully for decades who should really be in charge of running the football side of QPR, but instead our galaxy brains have put all on a 28 year-old data kid in his first salaried job in pro football.
Are these the paradigms of a well run football club with good owners? I'm not so sure.
Our current owner might be "fairly" silent and not present, but they pay the bills and from what I can tell haven't asset stripped the club
Look at their playing assets, though. That debt is wiped in one window for each club without any significant knock-on on the playing field. QPR's big debt hope this summer is not to sell any of our own players - Kelman notwithstanding: how much is he worth? £5 million maybe? - but that Palace sell Eze and we recoup a sell-on percentage. Brentford, Bournemouth, Palace and Brighton each have a £50-100 million player they can sell this summer with replacements ready to step up.
Of course, at some point, that might now work and one or all will get relegated. But they'll be able to bounce back because they've had it right for so long in recruitment, as all parachute clubs can now. We're ten, 15 years behind all of them - which is laughable when you consider where we all were 15 years ago
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:15 - May 20 with 3817 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 07:30 - May 20 by Rsole
Regardless of a new coach arriving, it’s going to be the same people doing the recruitment again this summer so I would expect the same mixed results and outcome of battling it out. Groundhog Day - same decisions/situation, but club expecting different outcomes = madness.
The one transaction that might change it would be the possible sale of Eze, as any sell-on clause would impact the potential profile of signings from mostly free to sometimes paid for.
Still not convinced that we know how to spend the money wisely but if 2 or 3 become sellable assets, then Nourry will be considered to be relatively successful in the transfer business, which I assume is one of his main KPIs. You would also (safely) assume that’s at the top of his personal priority/credibility list so he can take that with him in his PowerPoint deck when he leaves.
The best news would be the hiring of a decent DoF that knows their stuff and has the final say on recruitment. That has the most potential for a positive impact but it feels highly unlikely as it takes away Nourry’s weighted comfort blanket.
However, if that’s an option for the owners (hint, hint guys), we could do worse than hire a DoF and Coach that have experience of working together successfully before - Warburton and Eustace for example. Not advocating those two specifically but it would help fix the selection conflicts we have seen previously.
How very dare you - that's just far too sensible a way to run a football club
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:16 - May 20 with 3795 views
I'm starting to think the plan is to do something groundbreaking here and that is to keep all information in the club private. This could include us not knowing the identity of the new manager, the players that have left the club or any of the players coming in. Players names will be removed from their shirts because that would obviously be too much information and this will be the sound of the unseen manager barking out instructions next season over the tannoy system.
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:42 - May 20 by Andybrat
With the injury crisis at the back, we seem to forget our young inexperienced CEO sanctioned the season defining loan in of Ronnie Edwards. 1st day of the window as well, not saying he’s perfect but not all bad. Lots of us at the cup final last week and some of the best performers signed under his watch. If we don’t perform next season he is bound to be under pressure as can’t blame anyone else. I have said this before I am a big Marti fan but really feel the squad strength is better than pre-Nourry. If JD and Koki signed, with Vale lined up and fit and somehow Ben Williams replaced locally ( or he comes back) we are an exciting project for a new coach. I feel I’m being balanced, we all know the best solution ( kiss and make up) but it ain’t gonna happen.
I try not to do this on here but, seriously, your comment on our squad strength is laughable. It's a L1 squad being kept in the Championship by a coaching staff finding ways to get results in key games.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:51 - May 20 with 3585 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:47 - May 20 by TK1
Look at their playing assets, though. That debt is wiped in one window for each club without any significant knock-on on the playing field. QPR's big debt hope this summer is not to sell any of our own players - Kelman notwithstanding: how much is he worth? £5 million maybe? - but that Palace sell Eze and we recoup a sell-on percentage. Brentford, Bournemouth, Palace and Brighton each have a £50-100 million player they can sell this summer with replacements ready to step up.
Of course, at some point, that might now work and one or all will get relegated. But they'll be able to bounce back because they've had it right for so long in recruitment, as all parachute clubs can now. We're ten, 15 years behind all of them - which is laughable when you consider where we all were 15 years ago
Palace went up in a bit of a state, nowhere near good enough to stay up but found a way to results, survived that first year and never looked back
Things can change quickly, We could put a run together and go up, we were not a million miles frorm the playoffs this year if we could have kept everyone fit and it wasn't the greatest of squads
We got promoted out of the blue under Warnock really, I don't think anyone saw that season coming, i saw us in pre season against Plymouth that year and was worried about staying up
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:16 - May 20 with 3450 views
As much as we need more positivity on where we are with a new manager (personally not convinced with ex Norwich manager), we need to see a positive announcement on the future of the club i.e. what is proposed with the stadium. The training ground announcement in 2021 was a real up tick after years of the Osterley thing and infrastructure was improved and built within a couple of years and maybe that is paying dividends with the Development team etc. In my own mind been evaluating what Marti has really achieved in his 18 months at the club, really only just getting us out of slipping into League 1. Physically as a football team we look lightweight in this division and how we have come to have a midget forward line is worrying whereas the oppo always look larger and more physical than us and for me that has been a continuing theme for a number of seasons.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:22 - May 20 with 3396 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:52 - May 20 by GaryBannister86
Anyone else watch those pieces on Steve Parish and Crystal Palace and think - there's a proper owner of a football club? Easy to say after they have won the cup, but that isn't really the point. Nor the fact that Ruben is probably a hundred times richer than Parish.
It seems that Parish's main job in life, having made his fortune selling his agency, is to own and run Crystal Palace. He's there, he's in amongst it, he knows what is going on. I can't remember the last time we had an owner like that. I would forgive many a mistake by any owner if they were going to the club every day and sitting in their owner's office and making sure things were being run properly to the best of their ability.
This is exactly it. The same could be said of Brighton and Brentford. Owners who take a very much 'hands on' approach to running the club and are in the thick of it 24/7. The very opposite of our owners, in fact. The long and the short of it is, irrespective of finances, we're going nowhere (other than further downwards) with the current owners and their appalling decision making.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:45 - May 20 with 3252 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:22 - May 20 by The_Beast1976
This is exactly it. The same could be said of Brighton and Brentford. Owners who take a very much 'hands on' approach to running the club and are in the thick of it 24/7. The very opposite of our owners, in fact. The long and the short of it is, irrespective of finances, we're going nowhere (other than further downwards) with the current owners and their appalling decision making.
Do you realise every post you have ever made has been a moan of some sort.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:18 - May 20 with 3035 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:52 - May 20 by GaryBannister86
Anyone else watch those pieces on Steve Parish and Crystal Palace and think - there's a proper owner of a football club? Easy to say after they have won the cup, but that isn't really the point. Nor the fact that Ruben is probably a hundred times richer than Parish.
It seems that Parish's main job in life, having made his fortune selling his agency, is to own and run Crystal Palace. He's there, he's in amongst it, he knows what is going on. I can't remember the last time we had an owner like that. I would forgive many a mistake by any owner if they were going to the club every day and sitting in their owner's office and making sure things were being run properly to the best of their ability.
Yes I watched it but Parish doesn’t own Crystal Palace he has a 10% share although he is responsible for the day to day running of of the club.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:28 - May 20 with 2962 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:47 - May 20 by TK1
Look at their playing assets, though. That debt is wiped in one window for each club without any significant knock-on on the playing field. QPR's big debt hope this summer is not to sell any of our own players - Kelman notwithstanding: how much is he worth? £5 million maybe? - but that Palace sell Eze and we recoup a sell-on percentage. Brentford, Bournemouth, Palace and Brighton each have a £50-100 million player they can sell this summer with replacements ready to step up.
Of course, at some point, that might now work and one or all will get relegated. But they'll be able to bounce back because they've had it right for so long in recruitment, as all parachute clubs can now. We're ten, 15 years behind all of them - which is laughable when you consider where we all were 15 years ago
Would add Brentford’s total wage bill is around 100 mill a year which to me is staggering considering they bring in around 15 mill in gate money.This is one of the lowest wage bills in the premier league even more staggering.Still feel this will all come crashing down very soon this is not sustainable.What business runs on the basis of making sure you only lose 105 million over three years and they want to increase it,insane.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:33 - May 20 with 2910 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:51 - May 20 by daveB
Palace went up in a bit of a state, nowhere near good enough to stay up but found a way to results, survived that first year and never looked back
Things can change quickly, We could put a run together and go up, we were not a million miles frorm the playoffs this year if we could have kept everyone fit and it wasn't the greatest of squads
We got promoted out of the blue under Warnock really, I don't think anyone saw that season coming, i saw us in pre season against Plymouth that year and was worried about staying up
Palace went up in 2013. That's 12 years ago! We came down that year. We had three years to get it right, pioneer exactly what Palace did in the years after us (with less money), but we did the exact opposite and now that era is over. It's gone.
You're right that a team can fluke it into the play-offs still - having a Bristol City or Coventry season is obtainable with the right manager. But none of us in that bracket are staying up even if get through the play-offs. Burnley and Leeds look the best equipped for a while, but we're aeons away.
Yeah, Palace found a way to stay up between 2013 and 2016, to get a foot hold in the Prem (while getting to an FA Cup Final during this period!). But the best thing they did was hire a proper sporting director in 2017, someone apart from the board, someone with a really good eye for players and a brilliantly ruthless system. Dougie Freedman was not sitting in on Norwood council meetings trying to argue for a new stand or organise a comms policy. He was running the best recruitment team in London.
We're so far off that, let alone Palace in 2013 - which is a dead model now that B'rum and Wrexham are coming up with all that investment. It's just not comparable, unfortunately.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:39 - May 20 with 2864 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:28 - May 20 by switchingcode
Would add Brentford’s total wage bill is around 100 mill a year which to me is staggering considering they bring in around 15 mill in gate money.This is one of the lowest wage bills in the premier league even more staggering.Still feel this will all come crashing down very soon this is not sustainable.What business runs on the basis of making sure you only lose 105 million over three years and they want to increase it,insane.
But Brentford have currently around £100+ million worth of players just in the front three. Yeah, it's two bad transfer windows - or Frank going to Spurs - from possible relegation, but far, far worse teams are coming down with parachutes and bouncing straight back up. It's as close now to a super league situation as you can get without calling it that. The only thing that fcks it is PL regulation or a TV revenue collapse.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:55 - May 20 with 2758 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 19:05 - May 19 by Beckenhamhoop
It clearly shows you are intent on/willing to consider leaving your current employment which would be enough to make a potential new employer question wether you’d need to pay compo to the current employer.
Especially if you arranged to have it leaked to a National paper and not the Hounslow Herald thereby broadcasting to as wide an audience as possible
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Going by your interpretation, isn't Nourry guilty of breaching his employment contract when he applied/was approached/interviewed for his current job at Rangers?
Perhaps he was self employed, but taking a job with the client that you were auditing would surely question his integrity? At least, as much as you appear to be questioning Cifuentes.
Personally, I don't think there is any chance of Cifuentes returning & the sooner the club pay him off, the better it will be for all.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:11 - May 20 with 2622 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:48 - May 19 by Wilkinswatercarrier
Know nothing about him. Though the Norwich Twitterati say 'good luck defending '.
I have no idea if he will stay when the new head coach arrives, but apparently, Calm used to handle the defensive coaching and Marti the attacking side of things.
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:31 - May 20 with 2506 views
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