| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:44 - Jun 6 with 5231 views | JamesB1979 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:39 - Jun 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
That was always my position. The recruitment was poor not because of the quality of the individuals but because strategically it didn't target many of the problem areas. |
That argument is completely fair and spot on. But most of the criticism was directed at the players individually eg Varane. Thought that was very unfair. |  | |  |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 15:53 - Jun 6 with 4871 views | NorthantsHoop |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:51 - Jun 6 by Northernr |
The thing with the recruitment is you can go through them individually and make a case for most of them (not Celar, Madsen and Santos obviously, but even the latter was just a free transfer punt). Nardi, Morrison, Saito, Dembele, Varane, Edwards all varying degrees of good.
But it is, like you say, based on individual punts looking to find value. It wasn't done with putting together a coherent, competitive Championship team in mind. So you end up adding Dembele and Saito to a squad that already has Smyth, Chair, Paal in it and suddenly half your team is 5ft 5ins tall. No pace added.
I'm hoping that's rectified this summer. You've got to put a coherent, competitive, effective team together, not just sign lots and lots of individuals who on their own are good development prospects but collectively don't fit as a team. |
Exactly a real scattergun approach to recruitment, throw mud at the wall and hope it sticks. You have highlighted my concerns about the physicality of QPR for a number of seasons and we have now morphed into a team of attacking midgets. I even remember Warburton banging on about how the Championship was starting to be dominated by teams that were generally made up of 6ft plus players. Long gone are the days when it was say just Stoke and Millwall who had giants, they all seem to be big blokes in most teams nowadays. That is not to say the vertically challenged are not great players but you need a good balance, we seem not to have that. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 16:57 - Jun 6 with 4536 views | daveB |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:56 - Jun 6 by derbyhoop |
Without a Head Coach in place? You know, the guy who has to get a decent tune out of incompatible instruments. That strikes me as optimism overriding realism. |
I did say you'd hope they would although I think a new manager will be in place soon |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 17:00 - Jun 6 with 4501 views | lave16 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 16:57 - Jun 6 by daveB |
I did say you'd hope they would although I think a new manager will be in place soon |
Big Ange free.... I'd say we'd need to move quickly | |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 21:05 - Jun 6 with 4008 views | 1JD |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:51 - Jun 6 by Northernr |
The thing with the recruitment is you can go through them individually and make a case for most of them (not Celar, Madsen and Santos obviously, but even the latter was just a free transfer punt). Nardi, Morrison, Saito, Dembele, Varane, Edwards all varying degrees of good.
But it is, like you say, based on individual punts looking to find value. It wasn't done with putting together a coherent, competitive Championship team in mind. So you end up adding Dembele and Saito to a squad that already has Smyth, Chair, Paal in it and suddenly half your team is 5ft 5ins tall. No pace added.
I'm hoping that's rectified this summer. You've got to put a coherent, competitive, effective team together, not just sign lots and lots of individuals who on their own are good development prospects but collectively don't fit as a team. |
You also can’t be getting wins out of lower cost and free transfers, whilst flopping with big money marquee signings like Madsen and Celar at a cool 6m. It cancels itself out. Something Les largely did over his tenure. And we didn’t go anywhere. And finances didn’t change.
We were still wholly reliant on owners, funding all manner of losses, and thus restricted with FFP and hamstrung. A successful DOF has to do better than that. A lot better. Nourry has to deliver net profit for the good of the club. Making 2 million over 3 years won’t cut it. It needs big returns. That is the job of a successful DOF. And that is what Nourry must deliver on. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 23:10 - Jun 6 with 3623 views | Beans |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 21:05 - Jun 6 by 1JD |
You also can’t be getting wins out of lower cost and free transfers, whilst flopping with big money marquee signings like Madsen and Celar at a cool 6m. It cancels itself out. Something Les largely did over his tenure. And we didn’t go anywhere. And finances didn’t change.
We were still wholly reliant on owners, funding all manner of losses, and thus restricted with FFP and hamstrung. A successful DOF has to do better than that. A lot better. Nourry has to deliver net profit for the good of the club. Making 2 million over 3 years won’t cut it. It needs big returns. That is the job of a successful DOF. And that is what Nourry must deliver on. |
Would you agree it's way too early to be making assessments on that? This is going to be Nourry's 2nd summer transfer window. Les Ferdinand must have had around 10 so I think that's important context. In terms of buying a player and then selling a player for a profit I think Ferdinand's record was a £2 million profit on Smithies.
Looks as though Varanes sale will have already outperformed Ferdinand on that. And we need more time before we can see if the Morgan's, Esquerdinha and Vale type signings of this season can turn into profit as well | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 23:17 - Jun 6 with 3588 views | Loyalitat |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 23:10 - Jun 6 by Beans |
Would you agree it's way too early to be making assessments on that? This is going to be Nourry's 2nd summer transfer window. Les Ferdinand must have had around 10 so I think that's important context. In terms of buying a player and then selling a player for a profit I think Ferdinand's record was a £2 million profit on Smithies.
Looks as though Varanes sale will have already outperformed Ferdinand on that. And we need more time before we can see if the Morgan's, Esquerdinha and Vale type signings of this season can turn into profit as well |
You're not thinking very deeply. Eze being a gross omission on your part, with another windfall due to be received by the club at some stage in the future, when he's sold by Palace! Memory is poor, but I'm sure we received over £4m for Tjaronn Cherry after having paid about £1.7m.
I reference Eze, as you have mentioned Morgan, who arrived at this club after being released by his former club.
Has an offer actually been received by the club for Varane at the reported figure of £5m and from whom? If true, we'd better sell him in order to offset the losses that will accrue on Madsen and Celar, as we will not get back anything remotely close to what we reportedly paid for either.
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 23:30 - Jun 6 with 3560 views | JamieNaz |
Plus also the build up of fees by being a club that consistently sells with increasing fees.
The more you do it, the more money you get.
We need to build up a few sales so we can start to demand higher prices through leverage of not needing to sell and increasing the quality of our players.
Something we have consistently failed to do | | | |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 00:08 - Jun 7 with 3467 views | Beans |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 23:17 - Jun 6 by Loyalitat |
You're not thinking very deeply. Eze being a gross omission on your part, with another windfall due to be received by the club at some stage in the future, when he's sold by Palace! Memory is poor, but I'm sure we received over £4m for Tjaronn Cherry after having paid about £1.7m.
I reference Eze, as you have mentioned Morgan, who arrived at this club after being released by his former club.
Has an offer actually been received by the club for Varane at the reported figure of £5m and from whom? If true, we'd better sell him in order to offset the losses that will accrue on Madsen and Celar, as we will not get back anything remotely close to what we reportedly paid for either.
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Ouch my first post on here and I’m accused of not thinking deeply.
Eze left 5 years+ after joining. Does Ferdinand deserve much credit for him joining? Or was it more Ramsey?
Your praise for Ferdinand on Eze implies a good job on the academy side. I would disagree on that
And to address your accusation of not thinking deeply. Well, Eze was sold 5 years after joining. So I would refer you back to my point on Esquerdinha, Morgan etc being too soon for a direct comparison on Ferdinand vs Nourry on that front.
(EDIT - I’m not saying anyone will come anywhere close to Eze who was a generational talent. More that Les fluked one bit of money. Where as signs are now we might have more of a pipeline to the first team and some of those may even be sold for a few quid too - if not Eze levels of cash)
But early signs are that Nourry is going to have more success on that front. In the recent premier league final with 5 of that starting 11 all signing in the last year [Post edited 7 Jun 0:12]
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 00:14 - Jun 7 with 3432 views | Loyalitat |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 00:08 - Jun 7 by Beans |
Ouch my first post on here and I’m accused of not thinking deeply.
Eze left 5 years+ after joining. Does Ferdinand deserve much credit for him joining? Or was it more Ramsey?
Your praise for Ferdinand on Eze implies a good job on the academy side. I would disagree on that
And to address your accusation of not thinking deeply. Well, Eze was sold 5 years after joining. So I would refer you back to my point on Esquerdinha, Morgan etc being too soon for a direct comparison on Ferdinand vs Nourry on that front.
(EDIT - I’m not saying anyone will come anywhere close to Eze who was a generational talent. More that Les fluked one bit of money. Where as signs are now we might have more of a pipeline to the first team and some of those may even be sold for a few quid too - if not Eze levels of cash)
But early signs are that Nourry is going to have more success on that front. In the recent premier league final with 5 of that starting 11 all signing in the last year [Post edited 7 Jun 0:12]
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Eze was with QPR for 4 years. Just correcting.
Meaning 6 of the same team, Kolli being injured) that started in the same game were here longer, some of whom since they were very young. This will be the same development squad that finished 2nd bottom in its league. I just think that some perspective is needed. Let's use the much-derided Osman Kakay as the benchmark; if any of the ones you are already lauding play in nearly 100 games at championship level for us or elsewhere, then they've done very well.
As was the case pre- Nourry, only a few of these players will end up playing regularly at championship level. If we get relegated, I hope not, then more will obviously play. However, at this stage, only Morgan stands out from the "new" intake and Kolli from the pre-Nourry era. Vale is nearly 22, so cannot be classed as a development player in my view. [Post edited 7 Jun 7:50]
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 00:55 - Jun 7 with 3319 views | numptydumpty |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 00:14 - Jun 7 by Loyalitat |
Eze was with QPR for 4 years. Just correcting.
Meaning 6 of the same team, Kolli being injured) that started in the same game were here longer, some of whom since they were very young. This will be the same development squad that finished 2nd bottom in its league. I just think that some perspective is needed. Let's use the much-derided Osman Kakay as the benchmark; if any of the ones you are already lauding play in nearly 100 games at championship level for us or elsewhere, then they've done very well.
As was the case pre- Nourry, only a few of these players will end up playing regularly at championship level. If we get relegated, I hope not, then more will obviously play. However, at this stage, only Morgan stands out from the "new" intake and Kolli from the pre-Nourry era. Vale is nearly 22, so cannot be classed as a development player in my view. [Post edited 7 Jun 7:50]
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The DS won the cup.
Great but to say the new youth set up is already out performing under previous regimes is not able to assess as yet as that has to happen over a prolonged period
Winning a few games in a cup competition at youth level is no guarantee at all that at least 50% of the squad will go on to have successful careers at thus level or higher.
We have always pinned hopes on our youth. Some work out the majority do not.
And to even intimate that Nourrys batch is already way better.
Well there is hope but it could just as easily happen that no one kicks on.
It's rather strange that another first time poster popping up espousing the merits of King Christian of Nourry.
I think either someone is having a giggle on the wind up or its a group of Chelsea fans being naughty little boys and girls.....
Certainly isn't associates of the Nourry man spreading the mantra. That would be sad....
One for our journo hacks to investigate.... |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 05:56 - Jun 7 with 3063 views | SydneyRs |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 17:00 - Jun 6 by lave16 |
Big Ange free.... I'd say we'd need to move quickly |
Here for this.
Plays great football and guaranteed trophy in season 2 👍 | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 07:35 - Jun 7 with 2863 views | QPR_Jim |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 00:08 - Jun 7 by Beans |
Ouch my first post on here and I’m accused of not thinking deeply.
Eze left 5 years+ after joining. Does Ferdinand deserve much credit for him joining? Or was it more Ramsey?
Your praise for Ferdinand on Eze implies a good job on the academy side. I would disagree on that
And to address your accusation of not thinking deeply. Well, Eze was sold 5 years after joining. So I would refer you back to my point on Esquerdinha, Morgan etc being too soon for a direct comparison on Ferdinand vs Nourry on that front.
(EDIT - I’m not saying anyone will come anywhere close to Eze who was a generational talent. More that Les fluked one bit of money. Where as signs are now we might have more of a pipeline to the first team and some of those may even be sold for a few quid too - if not Eze levels of cash)
But early signs are that Nourry is going to have more success on that front. In the recent premier league final with 5 of that starting 11 all signing in the last year [Post edited 7 Jun 0:12]
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I'd suggest that there is a difference between a good academy and buying 18 year olds to fill out the development squad.
I'd also remind you that for the first 3 years LF was DoF we were trying to cut our wage bill heavily year on year, so not an easy task or comparable to the situation CN has inherited.
As for the academy, we have Kolli and Sutton coming through to the first team which is good compared to previous years but could still do with improvement. The ones we signed in the last year are the product of someone else's academy. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:02 - Jun 7 with 2743 views | JamesB1979 |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 17:00 - Jun 6 by lave16 |
Big Ange free.... I'd say we'd need to move quickly |
Big Ange and Nourry would be hilarious. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:37 - Jun 7 with 2578 views | R_from_afar |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 05:56 - Jun 7 by SydneyRs |
Here for this.
Plays great football and guaranteed trophy in season 2 👍 |
So that's the EFL Trophy in the bag then?  |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:40 - Jun 7 with 2549 views | stevec |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 07:35 - Jun 7 by QPR_Jim |
I'd suggest that there is a difference between a good academy and buying 18 year olds to fill out the development squad.
I'd also remind you that for the first 3 years LF was DoF we were trying to cut our wage bill heavily year on year, so not an easy task or comparable to the situation CN has inherited.
As for the academy, we have Kolli and Sutton coming through to the first team which is good compared to previous years but could still do with improvement. The ones we signed in the last year are the product of someone else's academy. |
Well at that level it does suggest that Nourry is breathing life into the corpse that Les left behind.
The Development side is where it’s at. It’s the one big opportunity to pick up any fall offs from the elite academies, players it’s almost impossible to pick up at academy age. We are QPR, one of the least successful London teams, under 15 you largely come here because the rest of London had little interest in you. |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:46 - Jun 7 with 2514 views | SydneyRs |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:37 - Jun 7 by R_from_afar |
So that's the EFL Trophy in the bag then? |
A trophy is a trophy, beggars can't be choosers  | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:16 - Jun 7 with 2386 views | QPR_Jim |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:40 - Jun 7 by stevec |
Well at that level it does suggest that Nourry is breathing life into the corpse that Les left behind.
The Development side is where it’s at. It’s the one big opportunity to pick up any fall offs from the elite academies, players it’s almost impossible to pick up at academy age. We are QPR, one of the least successful London teams, under 15 you largely come here because the rest of London had little interest in you. |
I think we should be clear though that the development squad is different from the academy, it's essentially the old reserves squad. It's a shame the academy isn't filling that up and we have to look externally to get players with potential in. So I agree with CN having a bit of a shake up of the academy and getting in players with potential.
The second bit we've always done with players like Kelman, Chair, Eze, Bright, Dieng, Walsh etc all brought in at that age/level, I'm pretty sure even Willock started out in the reserves after he signed initially. So it's odd how it's seen as revolutionary now when it was something we did under LF as well to good effect. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:31 - Jun 7 with 2289 views | Rsole |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:02 - Jun 7 by JamesB1979 |
Big Ange and Nourry would be hilarious. |
Frank to Spurs and Agent CIF to the Bees.
Jobs a good’un. |  |
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| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:46 - Jun 7 with 2004 views | daveB |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 23:10 - Jun 6 by Beans |
Would you agree it's way too early to be making assessments on that? This is going to be Nourry's 2nd summer transfer window. Les Ferdinand must have had around 10 so I think that's important context. In terms of buying a player and then selling a player for a profit I think Ferdinand's record was a £2 million profit on Smithies.
Looks as though Varanes sale will have already outperformed Ferdinand on that. And we need more time before we can see if the Morgan's, Esquerdinha and Vale type signings of this season can turn into profit as well |
It's pretty much the same recruitment team though so don't expect anything vastly different from the last 10 years | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:50 - Jun 7 with 1966 views | daveB |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:16 - Jun 7 by QPR_Jim |
I think we should be clear though that the development squad is different from the academy, it's essentially the old reserves squad. It's a shame the academy isn't filling that up and we have to look externally to get players with potential in. So I agree with CN having a bit of a shake up of the academy and getting in players with potential.
The second bit we've always done with players like Kelman, Chair, Eze, Bright, Dieng, Walsh etc all brought in at that age/level, I'm pretty sure even Willock started out in the reserves after he signed initially. So it's odd how it's seen as revolutionary now when it was something we did under LF as well to good effect. |
Some of the stars of that team have come through the academy, the keeper, the right back, Murphy, Tuck, Sutton, Kolli | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:26 - Jun 7 with 1786 views | goodlife |
Marty or Nourry?
Either Marti out and Nourry gets a new head couch in asap (he said it would be resolved soon after the garden leave) OR Nourry out and Marti in again. Asap |  | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:53 - Jun 7 with 1636 views | oldmeadoniansR |
I'm not to keen on Nourry and his allegedly despotic ways but I do wonder if you take him and his age and his data and everything else out of it, are we now heading for a more sustainable future. The problem will be it will not be short term success and it will be easy to criticise but building from the development team slowly integrating into the first team may result in a very young vibrant team in two to three years time. It looks like a strength of the club may be the coaching and development of these players and we need to lean on that. Problem is a manager any manager will not be given 2/3 years. | | | |
| The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:10 - Jun 8 with 557 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Players are back in pre season training in two weeks aren’t they?
Surely the issue has to be resolved by then? |  | | |
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