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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 19:54 - Jun 5 by lassel
I implied nothing. You’re just desperate to see something that isn’t there.
I assume his income comes at least in part from West London Sport. While QPR aren’t the focus there anymore, they still do regular pieces on the club & Dave still clearly has some ins at the club. Getting banished like North for being mildly critical and having to wind down even further his content on the club would presumably affect that.
The club already have a PR consultancy on retainer, they aren’t paying Dave to write favourable stuff ffs.
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Dave, am I wrong/right here; income (related to WLS) is certainly impacted by clicks to the website. Doesn’t make anything you do wrong or right, but is that factually correct?
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 05:24 - Jun 6 with 5057 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 19:20 - Jun 5 by JamesB1979
So now you’re saying, Dave Mc is on QPR payroll. Amazing.
Good grief James. The post you've quoted doesn't state or even hint at that. You have to try quite hard to get close to that conclusion. Clearly the point he was making was a journalist can't afford to be blacklisted by a club that provides a proportion of traffic and therefore income.
Whatever you think of the poster, you're way off on this one and probably owe an apology to be honest.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:59 - Jun 6 with 4413 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:49 - Jun 6 by Padulas_Shampoo
Good grief James. The post you've quoted doesn't state or even hint at that. You have to try quite hard to get close to that conclusion. Clearly the point he was making was a journalist can't afford to be blacklisted by a club that provides a proportion of traffic and therefore income.
Whatever you think of the poster, you're way off on this one and probably owe an apology to be honest.
Firstly I’ve always found lassel a decent poster and polite. Even when in arguments. What I have taken issue with is the little ambiguous comments that are mixed between certain “itk” facts and the mix between those and his own opinion. Also these come from someone who joined when Marti was appointed.
I would at least say that the post wasn’t completely clear. I did take it that way, and that’s why I posted that. I was wrong. he did explain it after. So I take back what I said and apologies if it offended him.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:35 - Jun 6 with 4212 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 20:25 - Jun 5 by Dave_Mc
Hi all
I don't usually post (various reasons) and am very, very used to getting stick, although I'm not thinking of this forum when I say that. Also well used to comments about being in or out of favour with various QPR regimes and so on - happens all the time. It's always total and utter rubbish and often ironic to the point that it has me laughing out loud.
But when good posters on here feel like there's some kind of softening or compromise of any kind, I feel like I should respond.
I just wondered if anyone has any examples of this they'd point to or any thoughts on things that should be covered/said that haven't been.
Part of the reason I wouldn't usually do this is out of respect for Clive - not wanting to come on here discussing me! So apologies to him for this. But, like I said, I feel like on this occasion I should respond and might be able to clarify a few things.
Cheers.
Hi Dave,
I can only speak for myself.
It does seem to me at least you've softened on the club, and - as i say - there may be many reasons for that.
But, you have gone from calling 'bullshit' on the club only a few months ago to an article on Cifuentes' leaving, wherein you state as a fact that he has "been placed on gardening leave because of his apparent interest in another job."
I think that's not been proven as a fact, but is currently a line by the club. And I think that assertion by the club needed or needs a serious examination, an examination that you'd normally relish and normally be all over.
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 00:24 - Jun 6 by numptydumpty
I understand why you wouldn't as a journalist post on a forum that chats about most of the topics you report on Dave and can understand that thinking also and I guess it could bring up a few scenarios that may be legally difficult or opening up cans of worms that are misinterpreted by many of us on here so do respect that.
Myself personally I have learnt not to take much notice of some of the headlines on other sites that are designed for us to delve in and when you read the article its deliberately vague
With WLS, I do take note in particular when you mention strong interest in a player transfer because you do have a very high hit rate as against others that for me are just pure speculation with zero substance
The only article I would say I have seen that for me had seen West London Sport deviate from your norms was the one today. About SWP (obviously many not ultra great memories from QPR fans) recommending Ashley Cole (even less great memories from QPR fans)
For me thats the sort of thing I would post on here for a laugh ie I could not ever see this happening, its not the worst, only the appointment of the man, JT, himself would wind up QPR fans more. I thought perhaps it was a tongue in cheek title because it made me smile. That kind of article is unusual for your organisation though as unlike many other information sources, it certainly appears you are much more in the know as a group compared to others that try to report speculation out of nowhere just to have written something done. And from all I have seen WLS don't operate in this way, which is good.
Whether your in the know compared to others is through experience, contacts or just good old intuition, as said your hit rate is much higher.
If the comment in that article that said appointment soon and the other suggestion being Lee Carsley, I would love that. I would say out of all the names mentioned most of which I personally have no knowledge of them, Lee Carsley would be a brilliant appointment.
Whatever you do or don't know though, please keep doing what you doing and I love to hear all the different pods to get varied reactions.
If I was a journalist I would always be very interested why some got more relevant information and some didn't. Obviously the key to yours and Clives profession, I would assume.
I guessing like most, do want this manager scenario cleared up as quickly as possible and probably like a majority, most of us are disappointed with the treatment of Marti.
The in the know thing on here is amusing. I guess there are perhaps a couple that are much more aware than most but to me me included its clear most of us know diddly squat....
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I didn't write that but I did OK it on the basis that it was an interesting (ahem) take.
SWP suggesting Ashley Cole for the QPR job. It is what it is. And frankly, yes, because I knew it would get clicks. We do far, far less of that than others, and very rarely use content that came from another outlet (while having our stuff nicked left, right and centre), but I do think there are times to play the game too, and that was an example.
It was factually accurate - it's what SWP said - and relevant to an important QPR topic. So it's good to go and whether Ashley Cole should be in the running is irrelevant IMO.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:14 - Jun 6 with 3957 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 00:38 - Jun 6 by Hunterhoop
Dave, am I wrong/right here; income (related to WLS) is certainly impacted by clicks to the website. Doesn’t make anything you do wrong or right, but is that factually correct?
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Hi HH. Yes, correct.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:22 - Jun 6 with 3871 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 09:35 - Jun 6 by BrianMcCarthy
Hi Dave,
I can only speak for myself.
It does seem to me at least you've softened on the club, and - as i say - there may be many reasons for that.
But, you have gone from calling 'bullshit' on the club only a few months ago to an article on Cifuentes' leaving, wherein you state as a fact that he has "been placed on gardening leave because of his apparent interest in another job."
I think that's not been proven as a fact, but is currently a line by the club. And I think that assertion by the club needed or needs a serious examination, an examination that you'd normally relish and normally be all over.
That's why he was put on gardening leave. The rights/wrongs of that is something I haven't really touched on, mainly because of time constraints TBF.
I do think a lot of this feeling of a 'whiff' of something in terms of reporting comes down to the current popularity of MC versus unpopularity of others .
I see it as somewhat (only somewhat!) comparable to the situation with Paladini and Ian Holloway a few years back. I had a terrible relationship with the QPR regime then and some pretty awful things went on. Some folk on here will have some idea what I'm talking about. I was banned from LR for a period of time and others had it much worse. But the prevailing narrative of IH being some kind of victim of that regime was awkward - because it was totally untrue.
Some were upset with me then and felt I'd gone soft on Gianni. Sometimes though the facts don't favour who you'd like them to.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:46 - Jun 6 with 3664 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:27 - Jun 6 by Dave_Mc
Hi Brian
That's why he was put on gardening leave. The rights/wrongs of that is something I haven't really touched on, mainly because of time constraints TBF.
I do think a lot of this feeling of a 'whiff' of something in terms of reporting comes down to the current popularity of MC versus unpopularity of others .
I see it as somewhat (only somewhat!) comparable to the situation with Paladini and Ian Holloway a few years back. I had a terrible relationship with the QPR regime then and some pretty awful things went on. Some folk on here will have some idea what I'm talking about. I was banned from LR for a period of time and others had it much worse. But the prevailing narrative of IH being some kind of victim of that regime was awkward - because it was totally untrue.
Some were upset with me then and felt I'd gone soft on Gianni. Sometimes though the facts don't favour who you'd like them to.
"The rights/wrongs of that is something I haven't really touched on, mainly because of time constraints TBF."
Thanks for responding Dave. Hopefully when you have more time you'll be able to dig into it all.
Cifuentes is gone, but the CEO, board and owners are still here, so the rights and wrongs are important and have to be examined.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 18:26 - Jun 5 by Northernr
I hope pre season isn’t sorted, one game against Toulouse in the sun doth not a pre season make.
Pre season preparations and fixtures for QPR have been poor for a long time now imo. Last season’s fixtures did little to get the team ready or confident for the season ahead. The lack of goals in those was carried on throughout the season.
I am hoping, but not expecting, for much better this season. We don’t need 3 games against Premiership teams (1 will do). 3 games against Championship quality teams and 1 or 2 against lower level to ease the players in early on.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:07 - Jun 6 with 3484 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:50 - Jun 6 by 7374Ranger
Pre season preparations and fixtures for QPR have been poor for a long time now imo. Last season’s fixtures did little to get the team ready or confident for the season ahead. The lack of goals in those was carried on throughout the season.
I am hoping, but not expecting, for much better this season. We don’t need 3 games against Premiership teams (1 will do). 3 games against Championship quality teams and 1 or 2 against lower level to ease the players in early on.
I dunno mate, the two seasons before last I was waltzing round Germany and Austria.
This is from a fans perspective granted.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:09 - Jun 6 with 3468 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 20:25 - Jun 5 by Dave_Mc
Hi all
I don't usually post (various reasons) and am very, very used to getting stick, although I'm not thinking of this forum when I say that. Also well used to comments about being in or out of favour with various QPR regimes and so on - happens all the time. It's always total and utter rubbish and often ironic to the point that it has me laughing out loud.
But when good posters on here feel like there's some kind of softening or compromise of any kind, I feel like I should respond.
I just wondered if anyone has any examples of this they'd point to or any thoughts on things that should be covered/said that haven't been.
Part of the reason I wouldn't usually do this is out of respect for Clive - not wanting to come on here discussing me! So apologies to him for this. But, like I said, I feel like on this occasion I should respond and might be able to clarify a few things.
Cheers.
Hi Dave
Great to see you on here.
I think there continues to be a lot of confusion about what gardening leave means. It would be great if you could give some clarity.
Legally gardening leave can only be used if notice has been given by either the employer or the employee. So leading from that the key questions are:
- Who gave notice, Marti or the club?
- How long is the notice period?
- When does it expire?
In one of your recent podcasts (29th April, I think - I will put the link below) you mentioned that there might still be a way back for Marti.
- Is there still a possible way back for Marti or has that ship sailed?
The reason for asking is that Marti's name doesn't seem to have been firmly linked with any of the recent Championship vacancies apart from West Brom.
Finally, there were reports in the Danish media last week that Johannes Hoff Thorup had turned down an offer to join QPR. Curiously I don't recall seeing that covered by WLS:
- Was there nothing in the Thorup story or did you not think it was worth bothering with?
Cheers
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:16 - Jun 6 with 2962 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 10:27 - Jun 6 by Dave_Mc
Hi Brian
That's why he was put on gardening leave. The rights/wrongs of that is something I haven't really touched on, mainly because of time constraints TBF.
I do think a lot of this feeling of a 'whiff' of something in terms of reporting comes down to the current popularity of MC versus unpopularity of others .
I see it as somewhat (only somewhat!) comparable to the situation with Paladini and Ian Holloway a few years back. I had a terrible relationship with the QPR regime then and some pretty awful things went on. Some folk on here will have some idea what I'm talking about. I was banned from LR for a period of time and others had it much worse. But the prevailing narrative of IH being some kind of victim of that regime was awkward - because it was totally untrue.
Some were upset with me then and felt I'd gone soft on Gianni. Sometimes though the facts don't favour who you'd like them to.
And that last sentence is the one everyone should take note of.
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 08:59 - Jun 6 by JamesB1979
Firstly I’ve always found lassel a decent poster and polite. Even when in arguments. What I have taken issue with is the little ambiguous comments that are mixed between certain “itk” facts and the mix between those and his own opinion. Also these come from someone who joined when Marti was appointed.
I would at least say that the post wasn’t completely clear. I did take it that way, and that’s why I posted that. I was wrong. he did explain it after. So I take back what I said and apologies if it offended him.
Don’t be daft, there’s no need to apologise. At the end of the day we are all just idiots here wasting our time and energy on the silly club rather than ‘supporting’ United or Liverpool like everyone we grew up with.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:41 - Jun 6 with 2772 views
I don't think there's been a softening from Dave Mc on QPR, but I think there's just been a lot more of him doing content on QPR in past few months.
So perhaps more smooths out the perceived spikiness?
Thing is, I think the club are doing some things quite well, and some things really quite badly. Transfer wise, I think it's been reasonably okay. We have to take some punts to try and get value, and some of these have worked, some are still in progress, and some haven't. Reckon it's probably a slightly better hit rate than most. But needs more time to see.
Absolutely dreadful on communications, and the lack of detail on contracts, injuries and when players sign etc is totally nonsense and provides zero perceived advantage, and just treats fans badly.
Be nice to have a new manager to read about.
Otherwise we'll get 20 more pages of conspiracy theories because we are all bored
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:51 - Jun 6 with 2711 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:41 - Jun 6 by JamieNaz
I don't think there's been a softening from Dave Mc on QPR, but I think there's just been a lot more of him doing content on QPR in past few months.
So perhaps more smooths out the perceived spikiness?
Thing is, I think the club are doing some things quite well, and some things really quite badly. Transfer wise, I think it's been reasonably okay. We have to take some punts to try and get value, and some of these have worked, some are still in progress, and some haven't. Reckon it's probably a slightly better hit rate than most. But needs more time to see.
Absolutely dreadful on communications, and the lack of detail on contracts, injuries and when players sign etc is totally nonsense and provides zero perceived advantage, and just treats fans badly.
Be nice to have a new manager to read about.
Otherwise we'll get 20 more pages of conspiracy theories because we are all bored
The thing with the recruitment is you can go through them individually and make a case for most of them (not Celar, Madsen and Santos obviously, but even the latter was just a free transfer punt). Nardi, Morrison, Saito, Dembele, Varane, Edwards all varying degrees of good.
But it is, like you say, based on individual punts looking to find value. It wasn't done with putting together a coherent, competitive Championship team in mind. So you end up adding Dembele and Saito to a squad that already has Smyth, Chair, Paal in it and suddenly half your team is 5ft 5ins tall. No pace added.
I'm hoping that's rectified this summer. You've got to put a coherent, competitive, effective team together, not just sign lots and lots of individuals who on their own are good development prospects but collectively don't fit as a team.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:23 - Jun 6 with 2500 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 11:09 - Jun 6 by BazzaInTheLoft
Gattuso! Imagine his press conferences after a year.
‘Sometimes maybe shit, sometimes maybe shitter’
Gattuso? Was said to be in the frame for the Spurs job (after Mourinho was sacked). Then this:
"Gennaro Gattuso has revealed his regret over missing out on the Tottenham job and his disappointment over the fierce backlash he faced from supporters. Spurs turned to former Italy midfielder Gattuso after missing out on several other candidates in their search for a new manager earlier this summer. However, fans strongly opposed the move due to controversial comments previously made by Gattuso about same-sex marriage and racism." https://www.tntsports.co.uk/football/gennaro-gattuso-reveals-regrets-over-totten
Still, Joey Barton is currently available....
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:26 - Jun 6 with 2476 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:51 - Jun 6 by Northernr
The thing with the recruitment is you can go through them individually and make a case for most of them (not Celar, Madsen and Santos obviously, but even the latter was just a free transfer punt). Nardi, Morrison, Saito, Dembele, Varane, Edwards all varying degrees of good.
But it is, like you say, based on individual punts looking to find value. It wasn't done with putting together a coherent, competitive Championship team in mind. So you end up adding Dembele and Saito to a squad that already has Smyth, Chair, Paal in it and suddenly half your team is 5ft 5ins tall. No pace added.
I'm hoping that's rectified this summer. You've got to put a coherent, competitive, effective team together, not just sign lots and lots of individuals who on their own are good development prospects but collectively don't fit as a team.
Thats where the problem was, we didn't look to create a good team we took a punt on several decent players and hoped the manager would work his magic and make them into a good team.
You'd hope the thinking will be a bit more joined up this summer
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:29 - Jun 6 with 2454 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:26 - Jun 6 by daveB
Thats where the problem was, we didn't look to create a good team we took a punt on several decent players and hoped the manager would work his magic and make them into a good team.
You'd hope the thinking will be a bit more joined up this summer
I'm a half glass full person, normally, but this current regime don't instill confidence they know WTF they are doing.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:56 - Jun 6 with 2303 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 13:26 - Jun 6 by daveB
Thats where the problem was, we didn't look to create a good team we took a punt on several decent players and hoped the manager would work his magic and make them into a good team.
You'd hope the thinking will be a bit more joined up this summer
Without a Head Coach in place? You know, the guy who has to get a decent tune out of incompatible instruments. That strikes me as optimism overriding realism.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:00 - Jun 6 with 2276 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:51 - Jun 6 by Northernr
The thing with the recruitment is you can go through them individually and make a case for most of them (not Celar, Madsen and Santos obviously, but even the latter was just a free transfer punt). Nardi, Morrison, Saito, Dembele, Varane, Edwards all varying degrees of good.
But it is, like you say, based on individual punts looking to find value. It wasn't done with putting together a coherent, competitive Championship team in mind. So you end up adding Dembele and Saito to a squad that already has Smyth, Chair, Paal in it and suddenly half your team is 5ft 5ins tall. No pace added.
I'm hoping that's rectified this summer. You've got to put a coherent, competitive, effective team together, not just sign lots and lots of individuals who on their own are good development prospects but collectively don't fit as a team.
Yes, very true. I actually think that individually they're all not bad punts, and I think I'm in a small minority thinking there was enough signs from Clear, and he was going close enough to scoring that it was a possibility that he would actually be good. Mentally, it must have been really hard, but thought the two finishes Vs Cardiff showed that he has some mental strength to go with some ability. I hope we setup a team for a striker of the style of Celar and Our New Saviour (Kelman). Can't be trying to play with Celar (channels and cut backs) and Freya (big lump, straight at him, knockdowns)
I remember hearing someone say once that an actual reasonable success metric of a transfer is if they play in over half the matches during the period they're at the club. While it feels far too basic a measure I think there is some truth to it.
But, yeah, as a collective it's not one that was put together with any great plan. Unless it was too get as small and weak a team as possible.
On Santos, I actually thought maybe he'd be alright... Was quick, seemed to actually be bigger and stronger than he looked, and better players than him will get a real going over by Ben Doak. But, yeah, he didn't know where to stand and I had to admit defeat to my mate that there wasn't a player in there, much to his growing delight (he called it immediately)
Entirely agree that there needs to be real learning showing they're looking at building a team, not just individuals to sell on. Crying out for some size and pace. That must be demonstrated in the next couple through the door.
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The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 14:39 - Jun 6 with 2099 views
The QPR summer managers rumours thread on 12:51 - Jun 6 by Northernr
The thing with the recruitment is you can go through them individually and make a case for most of them (not Celar, Madsen and Santos obviously, but even the latter was just a free transfer punt). Nardi, Morrison, Saito, Dembele, Varane, Edwards all varying degrees of good.
But it is, like you say, based on individual punts looking to find value. It wasn't done with putting together a coherent, competitive Championship team in mind. So you end up adding Dembele and Saito to a squad that already has Smyth, Chair, Paal in it and suddenly half your team is 5ft 5ins tall. No pace added.
I'm hoping that's rectified this summer. You've got to put a coherent, competitive, effective team together, not just sign lots and lots of individuals who on their own are good development prospects but collectively don't fit as a team.
That was always my position. The recruitment was poor not because of the quality of the individuals but because strategically it didn't target many of the problem areas.
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