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Anyone else going to Zurich tomorrow night?We are sat behind one of the goals in section B11,and although I’ll be wearing an England shirt rather than a QPR one,I’ll be waving my QPR flag,especially if Chloe comes on. Come on England.
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England women’s team on 12:13 - Jul 21 with 1068 views
England women’s team on 16:24 - Jul 20 by Paddyhoops
The morons abusing that poor girl , Jess Carter must be really proud of themselves. Disgraceful.
Easy sat here, but given that these people are idiots, I'd like to think I'd laugh it off it was me. But who knows, maybe I wouldn't, and given her performances thus far, she and her confidence don't need it.
That said, she's way too slow at international level and has looked out of her depth. Her detractors could just leave it at that and not be nasty about it. while acknowledging that she's undoubtedly trying her level best. Feel sorry for her.
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It's a team sport. It's football which means insults come with the territory. The comparative quality of the elite men's and women's games seems obvious and is demonstrated by eg women's games against boys. Most sports watchers are attracted to the best available - fastest, strongest, most skilful ....... None of which is a good reason to denigrate the female participants but to point out the difference seems fair enough. Which seems to trigger reactionary support in some men. None of which is mad just averageish opinions.
I agree with Padula's Shampoo.
As for the earlier post about tennis though Serena Williams was asked this several times:
[Post edited 21 Jul 12:18]
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England women’s team on 12:36 - Jul 21 with 947 views
So by that logic, in any such debate about say... Liam Morrison or Amadou Mbengue next season... it would be valid to point out that they're 'rubbish' or 'not massively entertaining' because they're not as fast or strong as Virgil Van Dyke? Same for Ilias Chair because he's not as skillful or prolific as Mo Salah?
Equally - was it hard to enjoy our DS Premier League Cup victory because if they played the Brentford first team they'd have been slaughtered?
No matter the reasoning, comparing it to the men's game and dismissing it because there are differences is just ignorant. And I'd still argue it's far more prevalent in football than other team sports like rugby or cricket. I can't ever recall anyone saying women's rugby is awful because they'd lose every scrum to a men's team. Or a female fast pace bowler would get hit all over the ground by a men's opening batsmen. It's just completely irrelevant.
I don't see women's cricket or rugby being hyped. Perhaps that's the reason for the kickback in football.
I don't have strong opinions on the subject, live and let live, I just wouldn't bother watching women's football apart from important England matches (patriotism). There is so much better sport available to watch.
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England women’s team on 13:08 - Jul 21 with 888 views
Easy sat here, but given that these people are idiots, I'd like to think I'd laugh it off it was me. But who knows, maybe I wouldn't, and given her performances thus far, she and her confidence don't need it.
That said, she's way too slow at international level and has looked out of her depth. Her detractors could just leave it at that and not be nasty about it. while acknowledging that she's undoubtedly trying her level best. Feel sorry for her.
You do know what we are talking about here right??
Its racial abuse, she's not complaining about abuse in general she's complaining about racial abuse. And you would just laugh that off would you??
I don't see women's cricket or rugby being hyped. Perhaps that's the reason for the kickback in football.
I don't have strong opinions on the subject, live and let live, I just wouldn't bother watching women's football apart from important England matches (patriotism). There is so much better sport available to watch.
Yeah but I wouldn't go onto a thread about darts to say I hate darts. I mean why would you except to stir things up?
Who cares if you don't rate it? Just scroll on by.
Personally if you didn't find that France v Germany match gripping though then I'm amazed.
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England women’s team on 15:51 - Jul 21 with 600 views
I don't see women's cricket or rugby being hyped. Perhaps that's the reason for the kickback in football.
I don't have strong opinions on the subject, live and let live, I just wouldn't bother watching women's football apart from important England matches (patriotism). There is so much better sport available to watch.
Being hyped?
Perhaps we can forgive that after fifty years of active suppression:
During the 1910s, women's football in the UK saw a significant surge in growth which would continue past the end of World War I and into the 1920s. During this period, women's matches often attracted thousands of spectators, with the top teams, such as Dick, Kerr Ladies F.C., attracting audiences in the tens of thousands.[35] Many of these matches were played for charity, often raising thousands of pounds.[36]
However, The Football Association viewed the growth and success of women's football with distrust and increasingly saw it as a rival competitor to men's profits, particularly as the FA had announced a significant expansion of the men's English Football League in 1920. As well, the FA had little control over the finances of women's matches and was opposed to the charity matches that had been played in support of workers taking strike actions, such as during the Miners' Federation of Great Britain lockout.[37] As a result, on 5 December 1921, the FA imposed a ban on women's football, stating that "the game of football is quite unsuitable for females and should not be encouraged" and alleging that "an excessive proportion of the receipts are absorbed in expenses and an inadequate percentage devoted to charitable objects."[38][39] When women's teams attempted to continue to organise matches on non-football grounds, such as on cricket or rugby grounds, the FA further pressured the organisations in charge of those grounds to deny women permission.[40] The English ban was also endorsed by several football associations elsewhere in the British Empire, such as the Queensland Football Association and the Dominion of Canada Football Association.[41][42]
The ban was assessed in Barcelona newspaper La Jornada Deportiva in 1923, asking if the FA were trying to be anti-feminist or just wanted "British modesty" to prevail, or if they really found the sport to be too tiring and hard on women.[43] According to Christchurch newspaper The Star in 1922, the head of the Canterbury Football Association stated that "the men in England had tried to stop the ladies from playing soccer for the simple reason that it affected their gate takings."[44]
In 1952, the Durham County Football Association blocked the application of schoolteacher Jean Tizard to sit the examination for referees on grounds of her gender.[45] In December 1962, an independent women's club based in Accrington made an application to be recognised by the FA. The FA denied the request, saying that "It may well be that after 41 years women have a better idea how to control the finances of a match, but they have not changed their shape. Soccer is not a game for girls."[46][47]
In 1969, the Women's Football Association was formed with representatives of over 40 different independent clubs.[48] In 1971, the FA announced that the ban on women's football would be lifted.[49] The WFA would formally affiliate itself to the FA in 1983, and in 1993, the FA took over direct responsibility for women's football.[50] (Wikipedia)
England women’s team on 16:03 - Jul 21 by BazzaInTheLoft
'I don't have strong opinions on the subject'
Yet here we are with 10 pages of it.
As with any contentious subject matter, the number of pages isn't related to the opinion but the dispute between many to ensure everyone else aligns with themselves. That's the battleground.
As with any contentious subject matter, the number of pages isn't related to the opinion but the dispute between many to ensure everyone else aligns with themselves. That's the battleground.
1) Woman’s football is not a contentious issue. Maybe in 1970s Saudi Arabia. 2) Writing paragraphs and paragraphs on a subject you don’t care about is a contradiction.
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England women’s team on 18:29 - Jul 21 with 336 views
As with any contentious subject matter, the number of pages isn't related to the opinion but the dispute between many to ensure everyone else aligns with themselves. That's the battleground.
This isn't a thread though about whether women's football is any good/is even a sport/should exist (see also women's comedy). This was about the England women's team and other teams in the Euros. Otherwise I would have just hidden the thread -it's been done to death. I don't care whether people like women's football/darts/trainspotting. I am interested in their opinions on our team, the other teams in the tournament, hell even on the standard of reffing.
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England women’s team on 18:40 - Jul 21 with 319 views
As with any contentious subject matter, the number of pages isn't related to the opinion but the dispute between many to ensure everyone else aligns with themselves. That's the battleground.
But really, why should it be "contentious" and, as a result, create a "battleground"?
This is a QPR forum, but there are regularly threads about other football, from kids to non-league to the Champions League. Those interested in those areas debate them quite happily. No one is trying to get others to 'align' with them.
Kensal's post re the historical suppression of women's football points it out very clearly as to why those who partake in and / or support the women's game may be seen as trying to play catch up.
I cant go with this attitude , a la the joke "Where's the bloke" Harry Enfield / Paul Whitehouse sketch. That was a parody but it saddens me that there are still people who go with these outdated standards. Its so much better now that women are seen as equals to men in society and the days where the man went out to work and earnt all the money and the wife stayed at home, looking after the kids, doing the washing and cooking and shopping for every meal.
Those days are gone and thats good. Not criticising the days of the 70s, it was just the world as it was then. Am only relating this to this debate, because of some of the arguments against women's football and female pundits etc.
People saying they dont want high pitched squeals on commentaries and comparing women as far less talented.
Personally, there are no issues with women debating the topics of men's football and women's football both. People can still analyse a game, whether they are a man or a woman and some can see things that others cant. Not based on gender though. Just on ability to analyse Otherwise people are saying women commenting on this forum have no relevant points to make.
Yes obviously its a different game but the women are very much professionals and ok obviously their physicality is different understandably but the game is the game and why shouldn't their be equal opportunities for women to have in all aspects all manner of different sports.
Its a different world.
Clearly like all things there are things that are blatantly worse in life and there are things that are obviously improved. But also just because a man has played the man's game doesn't automatically make him a better pundit than all women. Clearly many women are better than many men.
We are all human beings.
Old school chauvinism is no longer a thing. The men cook, clean and shop as often as the men, do school runs etc. I got to say was it about 20 odd years ago when first heard a female football commentary, it seemed strange to me but more because none of us had heard it before.
Its a better world for me in these respects and its fine to have both side by side and equal opportunities for all is great.
Apologies if it came across wrong but my point was about how threads just become everyone vying for the right to be right. I wasn’t trying to suggest womens football is contentious.
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England women’s team on 20:47 - Jul 21 with 141 views
I don't see women's cricket or rugby being hyped. Perhaps that's the reason for the kickback in football.
I don't have strong opinions on the subject, live and let live, I just wouldn't bother watching women's football apart from important England matches (patriotism). There is so much better sport available to watch.
I don't see women's cricket or rugby being hyped. Perhaps that's the reason for the kickback in football.
I don't have strong opinions on the subject, live and let live, I just wouldn't bother watching women's football apart from important England matches (patriotism). There is so much better sport available to watch.
Is it being "hyped" though?
What actually seems to be happening is that participation in football by females has and is massively increasing. This is obvious in local parks at the weekend.
The standard is improving very quickly and there's far more international competition now. Wembley was full to see England win the Euros a few years ago, the 2023 world cup in Australia was a huge success with big attendances. Its not going away and will get better and better in terms of level. Young girls will look at the star players and aspire to be the next generation.
Football is the one global sport and the US has been an early adopter of the women's game. Now other nations are catching up.
With respect, neither rugby or cricket have ever had much global interest outside a handful of nations, even the the men's games. The ceiling for women's football is far higher.
And again if you only want to watch the best, what are you doing at QPR?
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